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Working with third party - images

Hi! I'm pretty sure this doesn't come under WP:LIBRARY, but as you were so nice the first time, I thought I'd ask again here.

I raised a question regarding working with a company for sourcing here before [1], which went really well. I have recently been talking to the EPBF president regarding sourcing and in particular releasing images from some Euro Tour events into the free domain to be used on articles.

They seemed quick responsive to the idea, and I'm looking to draft up an email to confirm if they would be ok to do this; however, my question is if there is a simple way for them to release the images into the free domain, rather than forcing them to upload them individually to commons, or any other free domain site. Could they simply send a waiver for me to use the images?

If you could point me in the correct direction, I would appreciate it. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 11:51, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: That's exciting! Your best bet for resources on this topic would be found over at Commons, in particular Commons:Email templates where you can find a link to a tool which semi-automates the process of creating the text for an email EPBF can send to Commons OTRS to confirm the licensing. Either you could upload the images, tagging them with Template:OP to flag them as 'OTRS approval pending', or I believe they could even attach the images to their OTRS email. If the images can be found on their website or another image hosting website like flickr, they could simply add some text to the images flagging them as CC-BY-SA; you'd then have free reign to reupload them to commons, because the copyright is clear at the source. Hope that helps :) Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 12:44, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your speedy reply Samwalton9 (WMF). I've sent off an email and see what they go for. There's currently only around 50 pool items on commons, so if they could provide something, it would change an awful lot of articles. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 13:04, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

It seems that my account at no longer has a subscription. I was given it around this time last year. Do they only last for one year, and if so can we re-apply? SarahSV (talk) 00:03, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Pinging Sam and Cameron. SarahSV (talk) 00:12, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi SarahSV, unfortunately subscriptions though The Wikipedia Library do only last for one year. You are more than welcome to apply for a renewal through the library card platform. --Cameron11598 (Talk) 03:57, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Cameron, thanks for the reply. I've requested access again. Could TWL make that clear as part of the subscription process? That way, we could reapply in time to avoid losing access. SarahSV (talk) 05:02, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
SarahSV - I encountered the same issue today as well. Chetsford (talk) 21:52, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Chetsford, you can reapply for access here. In the meantime, you can request individual articles at WP:RX. It would be very helpful if all the time-limited subscriptions could be marked as such. SarahSV (talk) 00:06, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
@SlimVirgin: This is on our radar. The primary reason we didn't prioritise this task yet was that most TWL partners have very variable account lengths, they're only more or less exactly one year from setup for a few. But I agree this would be a great feature to have to avoid access gaps. Hopefully we can work on it soon. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 10:30, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Citation bot edits to references using JSTOR

I note that citation bot is removing JSTOR stable urls and substituting "|jstor=xyzabc" in the citation template. Is this now acceptable? I recall being told when I gained access that one had to include the JSTOR stable url & "|via=jstor |subscription=yes", but I can't find a place under the new library card system where this information is given. Looking at what the bot is doing, it looks as if this is not specific to JSTOR. Espresso Addict (talk) 16:53, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

@Espresso Addict: I'll grant you that Citation bot doing anything now defaults to "probably not acceptable" for me, but… TWL access does not come with any requirement in regards citations: there's a suggested format for how to cite, but that's mainly for convenience. The citation requirements ultimately all stem from WP:V and related policies and guidelines; and in particular WP:SAYWHEREYOUGOTIT. Note particularly that those guidelines explicitly make optional (not required) mentioning journal database providers like JSTOR (I disagree: I think it's important and tend to always include it, but that's a matter for WP:CITEVAR).
For your concrete example, though, the |jstor= parameter is just a convenience shortcut to generating the stable JSTOR URL. Unlike a DOI (|doi=), which is an actual identifier (that is, it is looked up in the database at and can change target over time), the so-called "JSTOR number" is just the unique part of JSTOR's stable URLs that allows us to auto-generate an address with a briefer syntax than giving the full URL ourselves. Thus, in general, replacing |url=[stable jstor url] with |jstor=[jstor number] is perfectly fine, usually preferable, and a mere syntactic difference that does not affect semantics at all.
The second part of your question, regarding |subscription=yes, stems from TWL's examples and guidance predating subsequent developments around the CS1/CS2 templates ({{cite book}} and friends). There was a series of discussions and RFCs there related to adding (general, not TWL-related) access indicators to the templates. The discussions resulted in various half-baked consensuses, so the end result is neither comprehensive nor nearly perfect, but for the purposes of your question the summary is something like this:
Access levels like "requires registration", "requires subscription", "free to access", and so forth, should be indicated per-identifier, not globally for the citation, since |url= and |doi= (or |jstor=) might lead to different destinations which may have differing access restrictions. The citation templates therefore provide per-identifier parameters to indicate access types: |url-access=, |doi-access=, |jstor-access=, and so forth. Each of these parameters have a assumed access level (default) and a set of valid keywords. For |url-access= the default assumption is that access is |url-access=free, and thus the parameter should only be provided when the URL is not free to access. The opposite applies for DOI and JSTOR etc.: the default assumption is that these require subscriptions to access, and so the parameter should only be provided when they do not require a subscription. As a result of this the |subscription=yes (and |registration=yes) parameters are effectively deprecated (not in a technical sense).
I also happen to disagree with this, and on articles where CITEVAR permits it I will usually provide |subscription=yes even when the above guidance would have suggested using no access indicators: I think it's important to give readers a visual indicator that the citation as a whole is not free to access (particularly as people are increasingly used to web citations that are free to access). That's mainly because I myself find it hugely annoying to click on a link from a citation and then running into a paywall of some sort and prefer to see that at a glance. But, as mentioned, only on articles where CITEVAR allows for my preference to prevail, and as everything subject to being overruled by local consensus on the relevant article's talk page. --Xover (talk) 07:20, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

New Wikipedia Library Accounts Available Now (March 2019)

Hello Wikimedians!

The TWL OWL says sign up today!

The Wikipedia Library is announcing signups today for free, full-access, accounts to published research as part of our Publisher Donation Program. You can sign up for new accounts and research materials on the Library Card platform:

  • Kinige – Primarily Indian-language ebooks - 10 books per month
  • Gale – Times Digital Archive collection added (covering 1785-2013)
  • JSTOR – New applications now being taken again

Many other partnerships with accounts available are listed on our partners page, including Baylor University Press, Taylor & Francis, Cairn, Annual Reviews and Bloomsbury. You can request new partnerships on our Suggestions page.

Do better research and help expand the use of high quality references across Wikipedia projects: sign up today!
--The Wikipedia Library Team 17:40, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

You can host and coordinate signups for a Wikipedia Library branch in your own language. Please contact Ocaasi (WMF).
This message was delivered via the Global Mass Message tool to The Wikipedia Library Global Delivery List.
  • Excellent service, well done! This kind of thing might support expert editor outreach. I've put up a note of thanks on my user page :) []Charles Stewart (talk) 14:13, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
How can one contact a Wikipedian with access to Grove's Dictionary? I am trying to find a date of death for pianist August Frederick Ferdinand Hyllested, born 1858. There was an article on him in Grove's Dictionary of Music and Musicians (Supplement, 1922, vol VI), when he was apparently still living. Is there an article in subsequent editions of Groves that gives a death date? - Nunh-huh 20:32, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Nunh-huh, Try posting your request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request. Someone might see it there and be able to help you. Eddie Blick (talk) 00:40, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. I tried, but just couldn't find the right place! - Nunh-huh 19:13, 19 March 2019 (UTC)


See this Signpost article that was published today. This has been the results of nearly 9 months of efforts. Feel free to share the article (and the WP:SOURCEWATCH link) to relevant people and communities you may know! Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:21, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

AfD that would benefit from a look by someone with a Publishers Extra subscription

This AfD would benefit from someone who has the Publishers Extra access searching for "'Rick Norwood' comics" to see if any of the resulting hits are significant coverage of Norwood. I tried to do the search but found that not only do I not have Publishers Extra, my subscription has expired; I've reapplied but in the meantime if anyone is interested enough to look, please post your thoughts on what you find at the AfD. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:13, 11 April 2019 (UTC)