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May 24

Wikilobby page

How come when I type "Wikipedia noticeboard incidents" into Google it shows me that Wikilobby page instead of the actual incidents page - something should be done about that — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr. Hooves (talkcontribs) 00:40, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

@Mr. Hooves: Wikipedia and Google are two completely separate entities and we have zero control over Google's content. If you want something changed on Google you will have to contact them. There is nothing we can do about it. --Majora (talk) 01:11, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents has personal discussions we don't want external search engines to index so we deliberately add noindex to the page. In addition it is also covered by entries in []:
Disallow: /wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard
Disallow: /wiki/Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard
Disallow: /wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Administrators%27_noticeboard
Disallow: /wiki/Wikipedia_talk%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard
There are multiple entries because the exact url can vary and robots.txt does not allow wildcards or similar. Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/Wikilobby campaign does currently not have noindex. In theory it should be covered by the above robots.txt entries but somewhere Google found a url with a fifth form and indexed that. Specifically, they found a link saying %2527 instead of %27, where %25 is percent-encoding for % itself. We could add noindex to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/Wikilobby campaign to avoid indexing no matter which url a search engine finds. See also Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:12, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
PrimeHunter, if WT:AN is on robots.txt as disallow then that file is broken. Since it comes up on Google as the first search result when I type "Wikipedia admin noticeboard" --Majora (talk) 01:15, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
The issue is again that Google found a url saying %2527 instead of %27. Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard has noindex but Wikipedia talk:Administrators' noticeboard does not. Maybe we should more systematically use {{NOINDEX}} to add noindex to pages instead of relying on url forms in robots.txt. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:52, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Automatic categorization of articles on a template

Is there a way all articles on template can be placed into category? Best Regards Sulaimandaud (talk) 06:47, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

@Sulaimandaud: Yes, but please don't do it, see WP:TEMPLATECAT. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:05, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
@Redrose64: Ok got the point. now i have to place 200 articles manually in the category Sulaimandaud (talk) 07:24, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
@Sulaimandaud:Not necessarily manual. If you have a list of the articles involved and a consensus (or its an obvious required edit) to add the them to that category, you could get it done via a bot or AWB. see WP:BOTREQ or WP:AWB/Tasks - X201 (talk) 08:36, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Yoon jik-yeon

This isn't the place for a draft article

About the daughter of South Korean Actor Bae Soo-bin, real name is Yoon Tae-wook.Biological father of Khristine.

Khristine Yoon

Yoon ji-kyeon(2002)

Khristine Grace Manabat Abian(2005)
(2002-02-19) February 19, 2002 (age 15)
Manila, Philippines
Years active 2002—present
  • Bae Soo-bin or Yoon tae-wook Biological Father (s. 2001) John alexander Abian(s. 2005-2017) Step Father. (father)
  • She Anne Manabat (mother)
Korean name
Hangul 윤지문켠
Revised Romanization Yoon ji-kyun
McCune–Reischauer Yun gi-kyun
Birth name
Hangul 윤지켠
Revised Romanization Khristine Manabat Abian
McCune–Reischauer Khristine Grace

"Yoon ji-kyun" (Born Khristine Grace Manabat Abian February 19, 2002) She is the daughter of South Korean Actor Bae soo-bin Or Yoon tae-wook. And She Ann Manabat and John Lio Alexander Lorenzo Abian the step father of Khristine.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:23, 24 May 2017‎ (UTC)

This isn't the place for a draft article. Please read the advice at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:32, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

New article for politician


next month there will be general elections in France, and I see that only 1 candidate (former government member) has a wiki article. Is it possible to add a page for the other candidates in my district?

Thank you Best EtienneEtienneSoumoy (talk) 10:18, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

@EtienneSoumoy: It depends on the candidates. WP:POLITICIAN says:
Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article".
PrimeHunter (talk) 10:27, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter:: the candidates are cited in trustworthy newspapers, although there are quite recent candidates, and the quotes were all made when candidates were given the authorization to apply to be an MP by their own party 2 weeks ago. Does it mean a page can be created to report what is known about these candidates?

Thank you EtienneSoumoy (talk) 10:39, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

@EtienneSoumoy: The specific candidates and sources would have to be evaluated. I don't know French. WP:POLITICIAN links to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Common outcomes#Politicians. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:45, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Citing the same source multiple times throughout the Wikipedia page

Hi, I am new to Wikipedia and I am having trouble citing sources within the document. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmurray06 (talk • contribs) 14:20, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Looking at the draft you're working on, you're almost there. You first define a source like this: (using your example)
<ref name="Fire Insurance Company">{{cite web|title=An Outstanding Fire Insurance Company|url=|website=migenweb|publisher=The Lowell Ledger|accessdate=23 May 2017}}</ref>
Then, later in the page, when you want to cite again:
<ref name="Fire Insurance Company" /> Xenon54 (talk) 14:24, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Help editing

How can I edit a company page correctly without having the information/changes removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaralynDuke (talk • contribs) 14:50, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

@CaralynDuke: In general, make sure any changes you make are supported by reliable sources and add citations (see WP:REFB for help on that). If you can please say which page you are trying to edit, then we can provide more specific advice. RudolfRed (talk) 16:29, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Template help

bsd. I need help adding a logo parameter to this template. Thanks --Ben Stone 15:42, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Can photographs taken illegally be used on Wikipedia?

The PATH system bans photography within stations without express permission from the transit agency, although as the discussion on this point within in the article indicates, it's questionable whether that's a ban that would hold up to scrutiny in court. At any rate, a user just removed all photographs taken within the system from the article, with the edit summary "Per the restrictions on photography, all images of the PATH system must be able to demonstrate that official permission was granted, else these images were illegally obtained." This strikes me as extremely overzealous: the only restriction on using photos on Wikipedia to my knowledge is that they must be properly licensed, and the legality of the circumstances of how they photos were acquired is irrelevant to that. Am I correct or is the user who removed the photos? --Jfruh (talk) 16:31, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

May want to take this to Wikipedia talk:Image use policy instead? Seems like a better-targeted venue. That said, I see nothing there clearly indicating, to me, that these pictures would be inappropriate. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 16:46, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Or c:COM:VPC over on Wikipedia Commons. clpo13(talk) 17:34, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Courtesy ping Morphenniel -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:03, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Restricted materials is probably the most relevant information page. You could also try emailing for their position on this. clpo13(talk) 17:34, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
I note that the over-zealous removal of images including this image clearly taken from outside PATH property (note the security fence between the photographer and the train) and this photograph taken from the opposite side of a road, neither of which would be in breach of PATH's restrictions (even if they had force here, which I cannot see that they do). I see that Murph9000 has just reverted the removal, a decision with which I agree. BencherliteTalk 17:54, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Adding pictures to an article

Can you please explain how I upload pictures into an article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmurray06 (talk • contribs) 18:01, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Here's one from my past. Just change the relevant info
[[File:Map of Davenport, Iowa Neighborhoods.png|right|thumb|alt=Description of the image]]
Not sure where there is a better explanation. CTF83! 18:19, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Uploading images DonIago (talk) 19:17, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
To clarify a bit – there is no way to "upload pictures into an article". The normal procedure is to upload pictures to Wikimedia Commons, and then use them in an article. Maproom (talk) 21:15, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Need help

Note This post copied from the talk page. Eagleash (talk) 19:48, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

I've been searching for help on how to upload a page and it tells me to do research but I don't know how to upload one. Can someone help me? And I'm on my mobile device (phone) so is that a problem? Dinah Kirkland (talk) 19:41, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

What page are you trying to upload? If you're talking about actual text, to me it sounds like a potential copyright violation. DonIago (talk) 20:28, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Download as PDF

This doesn't work right for "List of cognitive biases". The engine doesn't render the big table of biases at all.

I have also tried to get pdf's of articles with equations in them. The equations don't always render right either. To cite a couple of specific examples:

In "Zero-sum game" the constraints (section 2.2) don't display right (probably the latex is not rendering right).

Some bits of latex in "Macroscopic quantum phenomena" didn't render either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:51, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

How do I contact a Volunteer/contributor

I have a specific username from various articles and I have some information I need to pass on. this is all very new and complicated to me. I have the username and my information relates to background on a question he/she posted some time ago. Any help appreciated — Preceding unsigned comment added by Medwar57 (talk • contribs) 20:54, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

In the search box type: User talk:The users name to find their talk page. - X201 (talk) 20:58, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
@Medwar57: You can also click "talk" next to the username in a page history. See more at Help:Using talk pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:00, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

New article

how do you create a new article — Preceding unsigned comment added by KWan1569 (talk • contribs) 21:17, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Symbol move vote.svg To create an article, follow these steps:
  1. Read Your first article carefully.
  2. If you don't have an account, consider creating one (it's not essential, but it makes some things easier, especially communicating with other editors) and logging in.
  3. Learn the basics of editing with the Wikipedia:Tutorial
  4. Make sure the subject is notable enough to warrant a stand-alone article
  5. Gather reliable sources to cite in the article
  6. Make sure no article on the subject exists under a different title by typing the subject into the search box and clicking 'Search'
  7. Use the Article Wizard to create a draft.
  8. Create the article, including all your references, making sure you adhere to the Manual of Style and our article layout guidelines. Base the article on what the references say, rather than on what you know.
  9. Once you believe that your draft meets Wikipedia's requirements, submit it for review by picking the "Submit your draft for review" button in the draft.
  10. Be aware that many drafts are not accepted the first time, or even the second time they are submitted for review, for failing to adhere to our policies and guidelines. New articles by new users are particularly likely not to be accepted, due to new users' unfamiliarity with our rules. Consider gaining experience by editing existing articles before attempting to create new ones. Pppery 22:31, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Crystal Clear app fonts.svg Please use a descriptive title in future questions.. Also, please sign your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~) or clicking the signature button above the edit box which looks like this: Button sig.png, but do not sign in articles. Pppery 22:31, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

May 25

Infobox books

I just had a look at Human, All Too Human and wondered whether it wouldn't be better to place the infobox headline at least on the same level as the introduction line – like in other infoboxes, too. otherwise you have this big spacing... What do you think?--Erdic (talk) 02:22, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello Erdic, yes, it sounds a good suggestion and can be done technically. But my view would be that while the opening lines in the article (and in many other similarly designed articles like Orange (fruit)) are about other disambiguated articles, the infobox is specifically about the particular article. Therefore perhaps we should let it remain the way it is, so the infobox details are correlated with the specific article rather than with other articles. This becomes a bit more important in mobile views (for examples, here are the mobile views of Orange and of Human, All Too Human). Thanks. Lourdes 02:38, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
@Lourdes: Yes, in this respect you're absolutely right, of course. But what I would suggest is simply including the title in the box – as with probably the most other infoboxes. The aspect you mentioned has something to do with the position of the box as whole, but that would not be affected by my proposal, would it?--Erdic (talk) 02:53, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

AFD record

Where do I find a user's AFD nomination and !vote record? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:15, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Roger, it is normally found at [] The site appears to be down right now. ~ GB fan 13:25, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks GB fan, yes I've noticed that wmflabs has been very flaky over the last few days. It also makes some mopping jobs difficult/impossible when the tools are unavailable. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:41, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

2019 NBA All–Star Game article

Can you move the 2019 NBA All–Star Game article from the draft to the main article please cause it was announced yesterday. 2600:8803:7A00:976A:A098:D298:72D6:26DD (talk) 13:23, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Advice has been given previously to this editor, see #2017 Army Black Knights football schedule above (but glad to see a more polite request this time). --David Biddulph (talk) 14:51, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

What's A More Polite Request 2600:8803:7A00:976A:A098:D298:72D6:26DD (talk) 17:10, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

This statement "What no article Come on move it to the main article There's a reference I put it in and it needs to be moved now and stop being lazy." Is less then polite. Of course, you could create an account an then you could perform your own page moves. Until then remember that everyone here is a volunteer and no one is required to move anything. MarnetteD|Talk 17:21, 25 May 2017 (UTC)


There is an essay that I would like to propose moving from wikispace to userspace. If it I wanted to delete it, I would use prod or MfD, but is there some sort of template or procedure specifically for proposing the userfication of an essay in wikispace? --Guy Macon (talk) 15:13, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

@Guy Macon: See WP:USERFY. It has a list of steps to do when moving something from any namespace into userspace. RudolfRed (talk) 18:16, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
That page describes how to just go ahead and userfy an essay whether or not the author objects and whether or not the community approves. I am looking for something like Wikipedia:Proposed deletion, but instead of me proposing deletion of the essay to see if anyone objects, I want to propose userfication of the essay to see if anyone objects, or something like Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion, but instead of me asking the community whether to delete the essay, I ask the community whether to userfy the essay. --Guy Macon (talk) 23:13, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
One way is to WP:IAR post it to MfD, clearly noting in your nom that you would want it userfied. I have put a couple of AfDs where the outcome I proposed was a redirect, but I could imagine others would rather keep or delete and wanted more input than by simply boldly redirecting. TigraanClick here to contact me 08:57, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! That would work. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:18, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Cory Stillman

In attempting to update the page of Cory Stillman, I seem to have created an issue where the summary shows up ahead of the infobox in the mobile version. Any help in correcting the issue would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:03, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

This is intentional and not caused by you. See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Infobox placement in mobile view. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:04, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: Thanks! I didn't realize this was the norm now. I'm just so used to seeing the infobox ahead of the summary in articles regarding hockey players that when it changed following my edit, I thought there was a problem. (talk) 19:14, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Syntax error introduced by AnomieBOT

User:AnomieBOT introduced a syntax error into reference [1] of HighScope on 2011-02-25T00:16:49‎: Before that edit, [1] was there without a syntax error noted. Since that edit, that note has ended with, “Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name "Epstein.2C_A._S." defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).”

The problem is that two different named references use the same name, <ref name="Epstein, A. S.">, referring to two different documents. As a result, the document indicated by <ref name="Epstein, A. S."/> is unclear.

Unless I misunderstand the history file, this syntax error has been there for over six years, and no one has taken the time to fix it.

I don't understand now AnomieBOT could have introduced such, but it looks to me like it did. DavidMCEddy (talk) 20:43, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

"(see the help page)" has a link but these errors can be difficult. The software feature producing the error message was introduced in 2015. The error existed long before that and caused one of the "Epstein, A. S." definitions to be ignored without giving an error message. AnomieBOT fixed another error in [1], unquoted reference names with spaces. This caused the other existing error to activate. I have fixed it with [2] which gives another name to one of the two references. I had to figure out which of the two was intended when "Epstein, A. S." was later invoked without a definition. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:46, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

May 26

Page not appearing on Google Search

I created a page [] on wikipedia but it is not getting indexed by Google Search. On investigations, I've found that it has following line (line 17) in html code. Unfortunately, I don't have rights to update. Would someone be able to advise what needs to be done to get this removed as I want the page to appear on google search too.

<meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow"/>

Visit.jaspal, I've moved the page to its correct title, Nirankar Singh Neki. Note that you need to sort out the references, they are not in-line so we can't tell what fact each is supporting. I note that your user page redirected to this article (now removed, that's not permitted), if you have a conflict of interest when editing this article, you must declare it. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:09, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
May we be permitted to ask if this article is an autobiography, and also what connection you have with user:Iamtheexpert? Dbfirs 06:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello, Visit.jaspal. While the answers you have received above are pertinent, nobody has yet directly answered your question. Part of the answer is that, since Wikipedia may not be used for promotion of any kind, we don't particularly care whether Google finds articles or not. But more specifically, new articles are automatically set to not be indexed by Google until either they have been patrolled, or thirty days have passed. --ColinFine (talk) 17:39, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

safari wikipedia summary preview shows differently than actual summary on page

Yes, hello I'm sorry to bother but I am a fan of the fictional work Attack On Titan and one of the characters, Mikasa Ackerman, her summary shows up correctly on the Wikipedia page but when you put it in a safari search engine, before you actually hit search, the Wikipedia summary shows as, "Mikasa Ackerman Annoying bitch, Eren will never love her. Gets angry whenever she sees Eren with his true love, Levi." Here are some linked photo references of both summaries: [] Here is a link to the page: [] I made an account to see if I couldn't edit anything to make that summary not show in the search, because it is highly incorrectly and holds no actually relevancy to the series, but no matter what I do it won't go away. Is there anything I can do in order for it not to show that in the Wikipedia safari preview? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Autumn365 (talk) 10:00, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the question Autumn365. There used to be a very short separate article for Mikasa Ackerman, which included the text you quote. This article was edited in August 2015 to make it redirect to the main article List of Attack on Titan characters. So it looks as if the search engine you are using is picking up an old version: not much we can do about that. The text doesn't appear on Google: Noyster (talk), 17:23, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Removal of offline sources

Can a piece of information cited to an offline source be removed because a particular editor can't access and confirm the source online? --Skr15081997 (talk) 13:33, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Offline sources are just as valid as online, perhaps more so in some cases. Because a source can only be accessed offline cannot really be considered a reason for removal IMO. Eagleash (talk) 13:50, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
The idea that Wikipedia editors are not allowed to use print publications is repugnant. Jc3s5h (talk) 13:55, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
Velociraptor2012 has twice removed info cited to a Hindi-language daily. Their reason for the second revert was "I couldn't access and confirm this source online". Since I have made 2 reverts to the article City Montessori School I request someone else to add back the info. Regards, --Skr15081997 (talk) 14:15, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Information on Roger Noriega's biography contains false and libelous statements

To Whom It May Concern,

I am writing to inform the editors of Wikipedia that Ambassador Roger Noriega's page [] contains false and libelous statements that need to be corrected.

I have tried on several occasions to edit the page, but my changes are automatically removed.

I work for ambassador Noriega

Please advice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VisionAmericas (talkcontribs) 14:17, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

@VisionAmericas: Since the material you have removed is sourced to reliable sources, your removal of the material has been reverted. If you think there is incorrect information in the article, or that it presents a one-sided view, please open a discussion at Talk:Roger Noriega. Provide specific examples of information that you feel is incorrect, and provide citations to reliable sources to verify your assertions. Or, at the very least, indicate statements whose sources you feel are not reliable, and provide a valid reason why you feel the source is not reliable. Wikipedia's policy regarding biographies of living persons applies here, and any incorrect information or negative information that is not reliably sourced can be removed, but you'll have to provide evidence to support removing the offending information. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:31, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
@VisionAmericas:, also, as a WP:Paid editor with a clear conflict of interest, you should not edit the article directly anyway, but make suggestions on its talk page instead, making sure that your COI is clearly declared Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:33, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
Although VisionAmericas may have a conflict of interest here, I think he has a valid point. There are, in my opinion, serious problems with that article in regards to WP:BLP, WP:POV, and WP:RS. Gnome de plume (talk) 17:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
The account has been blocked, since VisionAmericas is the name of a lobbying and consultancy group, presumably hired by Noriega to massage his reputation. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:56, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

wikitable sortable problem

I noticed on the page 'Comparison of hub gears' that the sortable table has a problem - it sorts on the first digit in the column, so, for instance, 11 gears is shown as a smaller number of gears than 2, and a weight of 900g is shown as larger weight than 2000g.

I tried adding a space at the beginning of items like the 900g, but that doesn't work. Adding a leading zero works, but that leads to a list showing for instance that a hub has 02 gears. That looks clumsy. Is there a better way of making the sort work properly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jchmiles (talkcontribs) 15:20, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jchmiles: I have fixed it with data-sort-type="number" in the header.[3] See Help:Sorting#Forcing a column to have a particular data type. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:27, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

References for personal observations.

Greetings, I attempted to add "Colorado front-range foothills to 7000 feet," to the Habitat section of the "Bobwhite" article. Since there appears to be no reference to this species in this exact location, I thought it would be worthwhile to add. However, the only reference is my personal observation. All other resources cite populations in low altitude riparian areas east of the foothills. Over the last several months we have observed Bobwhites in a covey of 10-12 and recently we have seen a pair on our property on several occasions. So I don't know how the reference this.

Thanks, Jim H

We define information that does not appear in any published source as original research and it is unfortunately one of our core policies not to allow it. This is by no means authoritative advice, but perhaps if you took a picture of the bird and tagged its location, that would be acceptable. I certainly think it is. Xenon54 (talk) 17:05, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Sheetala Traders

It is a whole sale book shop in Ghazipur founded by Mr.Anil Kumar Gupta Situated Near Sichai Vibhag Chauraha , Kacheri Road Ghazipur (233001)

Bookselling is the commercial trading of books, the retail and distribution end of the publishing process. People who engage in bookselling are called booksellers, bookwomen, or bookmen.. In Rome, toward the end of the republic, it became the fashion to have a library, and Roman booksellers carried on a flourishing trade.

The spread of Christianity naturally created a great demand for copies of the Gospels, other sacred books, and later on for missals and other devotional volumes for both church and private use. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Divyanshu Gupta (talk • contribs) 19:00, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Divyanshu Gupta and welcome to the help desk. It is not clear whether you wish to add information to our article on Bookselling, or whether you wish to write an article on one particular bookshop. In general, we don't have articles on individual shops unless they have been written about extensively in independent WP:reliable sources. Dbfirs 19:10, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Reference type.

Hi, I was wondering what kind of source this article: Acronicta bicolor takes. I known it must be some sort of taxonomy gig, which I vaguely remember seeing at some point, but can't seem to locate it. scope_creep (talk) 19:42, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

If you mean what citation style to use, in the sense discussed in WP:Citing sources, it doesn't have any citations, so you can use the style you think best. Jc3s5h (talk) 20:05, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

infobox size (or infonox size)

Hello again. I am one of the many editors who are less than enamored with infoboxes, and the almost useless (for almost all readers) info they often contain. Please take a look for example at GRASP65. The box overwhelms the article with info the vast majority of readers won't ever access. It is bigger (wider) than standard thumbs. The preoccupation with having it at the top "forces" editors to squeeze the text between a relevant image and the infobox. I think of these things as infonox's, for noxious infoboxes.

Is there some way to reduce the width of infonoxes?

Is there some way to make a WL appear at the top right of the article, so that the reader has to click on the link to display the infonox in all it's irrelevant glory? That would be similar to how readers need to click on thumbs to see a bigger image. @Iztwoz and Boghog: Thanks. JeanOhm (talk) 20:06, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

These infoboxes were created with wide community consensus as part of the Gene Wiki project. The links in the infobox are useful to editors that want to find background information so that they can add more content and to readers that want to get a quick overview of the subject. I for one find these infoboxes extremely handy. Two parts of the infobox ("List of PDB id codes" and "Gene ontology") are already collapsed. Finally this particular infobox does contain a relevant image of the structure of GRASP65 at the top. Boghog (talk) 20:25, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
"The links in the infoboxes are useful to editors that want to find background info". Fine. I accept that. I've used them that way. But, those people are a tiny percent of the readers of the articles who must deal with the infonoxes. If editors can click on links in the infonox, they can click on a link to expand the infonox, while letting it be less disturbing to casual readers.JeanOhm (talk) 20:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
I'm struggling to understand the issue. I glanced at the article and I think the INFOBOX looks nice. Some of that information is detail I'd not be apt to care about but I assume that people very interested in the gory details of similar proteins appreciate knowing that we have standardize information in a standardized format. I briefly wondered if perhaps OP was looking at a mobile and the width of the INFOBOX crowded out the main text that I just checked in mobile and that's not the case (at least not using the Wikimedia app).--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:39, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
I would like to add a comment about Infoboxes, and why they consistently misunderstood. We live in a age where more that 62% of people now use mobile devices of one form factor or another. We really are well outside the age of the PC or even the laptop. I think it was research by Gartner, found that when people looking for view information on these devices, they tend to do it in a very cursory and quick manner, to get the facts and move on. When they look to Wikipedia, they barely ever go into a page, hence the reason for the Infobox. It specifically designed to address form factor concerns, provides succinct factual information, can be accessed very quick, and doesn't need extended or convoluted page navigation. scope_creep (talk) 22:28, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
@Sphilbrick: A pox on mobile devices! The issue is that you and the vast majority of readers are not apt to care about the detailed info, and yet, there it is unavoidably cluttering up reader's screens and eyes. I'm not asking to eliminate them. I'm asking if there is a way to make them less intrusive into the text of the article. JeanOhm (talk) 01:12, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
@Scope creep: I just forced myself to look at the mobile view of the page on my laptop. Do you seriously think that the dominance of a disinformation box in mobile view is beneficial to our readers? There are 8 "biological processes" listed in the GO section, which apparently loads automatically on mobile devices, making the disinfobox even more dominating. Of the 8, #7 is the only one the casual reader should care about. It is what "defines" the protein. If the readers want to know more about what the golgi does, they can read the golgi article. From the top of the box, which appears to indicate that the ribbon diagram is of the structure of the gene (that is, there is no caption to the image unless one clicks on it), while in reality the diagram is of TWO different proteins, that box is a disservice to casual readers. People apparently think they are being educated when they see ribbon diagrams, which are the equivalent of eye candy. Editors apparently think they are dispensing information, when in reality they are promoting alternative facts. There should be a small "thumbnail" sized box at the top right of the article (and all gene articles, IMHO) stating "show infobox", so that editors can click on it and readers can avoid it. sigh. JeanOhm (talk) 01:35, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
The problem with display of infoboxes on mobile, is not with the infobox, but rather with the mobile front end which does not support collapsing sections of infoboxes. I have entered a request on Phabricator (see link in the box to the right) to fix this. Boghog (talk) 07:57, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
I suspect that JeanOhm's policy of name-calling ("infonox", "disinformation box") is not helping his cause. Maproom (talk) 07:29, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
@JeanOhm:@Sphilbrick:@Maproom: I think the UI in Wikipedia in general does a huge disservice to our readers, and infoboxes in particular. I can really image right now, with 20 years up the road, everybody using enhanced devices to interact with the web, with us still stuck with this UI. To be honest, I wouldn't know how to begin to improve these types of pages. The infobox seems to offer a mix of machine data as opposed to human criteria data, and seems to specifically designed for protein researchers, linking of protein databases, with normal human readers, being secondary customers. Something similar to the Authority control tag for proteins data, that splits the two data types, so human readers can extract value from the infobox, may be possible. I don't see why it has all the classification information within it, it serves no purpose. scope_creep (talk) 08:32, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
Normal human readers like myself often follow these links, so I strongly disagree that they serve no purpose. Moving the protein box identifiers to {{authority control}} is mixing apples with oranges. Authority control provides bibliographic information about the subject of an article. The protein box identifiers provide links to external databases. They serve two very different purposes. As mentioned above, the problem with infoboxes on mobile is that sections of infoboxes cannot be collapsed. I have put in a request to fix this. Boghog (talk) 08:59, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
@Boghog: Neither you, nor I, nor anybody engaging in this discussion are "normal human readers". We are human editors, who, as I wrote above, often use the detailed links in the boxes. But, since we know how to navigate the boxes, we can damn well navigate another cick to enlarge the box while leaving it out of the way of human, non-editing, readers. The wp templates page states: "...infoboxes, which are small panels that summarize key features of the page's subject." Maybe at one time in the past they were small panels with key info. Now, the boxes I see are overwhelmingly large and filled with minutia, not key features. Don't eliminate them, but reign them in for the sake of more or less normal human readers. JeanOhm (talk) 14:49, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Template, help to add a section

Hello, I've tried to add a section called "membership" in the Template "Infobox sport governing body" [], but it seems like I've only changed the documentation. How do I make this change to the template itself? Sauer202 (talk) 21:46, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Typo fixed.[4] PrimeHunter (talk) 22:39, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

2019 NBA All-Star Game article

Can you please remove the red articles and make them blue and make the North Carolina stub blue please. 2600:8803:7A00:976A:2932:5932:8296:523C (talk) 22:33, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, IP user.Thank you for asking politely. However, what you are asking for is considerable work: what makes a red link into a blue link is creating the article it refers to, which is not usually a small task. If you do not feel you can do so yourself, you can request particular articles get written by posting at Requested articles (though unfortunately there is no guarantee that anybody will pick up a request). --ColinFine (talk) 23:41, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

May 27

What's the name of this instrument

Unknown instrument.jpg

I just found this instrument and I would like to know what is it's name. The metal part is 32 x 5 cm and the markings are centimeters. It's made of aluminium. Thanks. Fructibus (talk) 02:23, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Symbol move vote.svg This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Pppery 02:26, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
Looks like a gas manometer to me. Aspro (talk) 02:59, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Inter-wiki link phantom?

Can anybody tell where the expression (Malay) between the two templates in France_in_the_Middle_Ages#External_links comes from?--Erdic (talk) 02:48, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

The article trancludes Template:Ms in between the two navboxes, probably indicating that it was meant to be a third navbox. However, Template:ms redirects to Template:Ms icon which shows the text (Malay). Pppery 03:09, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
@Pppery: Thank you! Now, wouldn't it be better to somehow include that in a way so that it doesn't "stick out" between the boxes?--Erdic (talk) 03:44, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
It was meant to be a navbox as Pppery guessed. I found [5] in the page history and reverted it. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:50, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: Thank you very much!--Erdic (talk) 18:43, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Help with template, url was changed

Please help updating Template:WTA. The new website has new ids and uses additional parameters at the end, e.g. title/maria-marfutina. Can you do the changes here first? In tennis articles, the editor should add only the id number without the name of the tennis player. --User:Tomcat7 (talk) 10:53, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Edit Count

When I try to get an edit count for myself (See:[]), it tells me that my first edit was on Dec 31, 2099, 12:00 AM, when I think it was in 2016. It also tells me that I have zero edits, when I think that I have made around 5,000 edits, and that 100% of my edits have no summary (which is clearly absurd since the system says I haven't made any edits and according to it, I won't start editing for another 82 years), when I think that about 95% of my edits should have a summary. Yesterday, the edit count function was not working at all and returning error messages. There have been problems with this in the past. Any ideas? BronHiggs (talk) 10:57, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Well Bron, stuff happens sometimes. I've had moments where even Wikipedia as a whole has gone down. No gain losing sleep over it :) Try again. The old lady's ok. Lourdes 11:25, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
@BronHiggs: This is normal that xtools isn't working, you should probably wait an hour or day also. KGirlTrucker81 huh? what I've been doing 11:36, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Bible ref

When I use the bibleref template without ref tags there is a double space after the template - is there anyway to stop this from happening so there isn't a blank space between the link to the bible verse and punctuation? Seraphim System (talk) 15:27, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

I guess you refer to [6]. {{bibleref}} makes no spaces or other characters between the link and the following punctuation or other source character. There is however an external link icon in all skins except Cologne Blue. I see [] both in the diff and here: "... in Revelation 2:13. John the Apostle ...". I guess the icon doesn't render for you and leaves some empty space. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:48, 27 May 2017 (UTC)


Is it ok to use this project as a source? Does Wikipedia have access to this project and how do I get in there (without paying for it out of own pocket).--Meister und Margarita (talk) 18:57, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

I assume you are asking about this site. What sort of information would you use it for? Is the content user-generated? If so, then it would not count as a WP:Reliable source. ... (later) ... I see that we have an article: MyHeritage. Dbfirs 19:21, 27 May 2017 (UTC)