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April 20

Student assignments and page moves


I've been watching the page Inequalities in rural and inner city education, and I had a few questions. This page was created by a group of student editors, but there is no notice on the talk page like I've seen on some other pages. Should this be included? If so, how do I go about doing that? In addition, I've suggested that we merge it into Educational inequalities. In that case, how would that notice be transfered? Also note that this is my first time suggesting a merge, so please let me know if I did anything wrong with that. Thanks! LittlePuppers (talk) 01:11, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Another concern with that article is that it entirely about findings within one country, though its title does not indicate this. Maproom (talk) 06:38, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Ah, that's another good point. LittlePuppers (talk) 10:04, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Charles Pierrepont, 1st Earl Manvers

Ref number 3 is in red - it should be a little list but I fixed up a spelling error and it has "collapsed". Please help. Thankyou. Srbernadette (talk) 04:49, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

You had created two named references with the same name (and never used either of them). I have renamed the second. Maproom (talk) 06:31, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Capitalization in links to other articles

If I were to link to another article but not use the articles names (such as what I'm doing with Denmark's renewable energy), Would I write it as "renewable energy in Denmark|Denmark's renewable energy" or as "Renewable energy in Denmark|Denmark's renewable energy" (notice the 'R' in 'Renewable' is capitalized in the second one)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ParadiseDesertOasis8888 (talkcontribs)

Either would work. But I'd recommend using the from of capitalisation as in the article name, the second one. Maproom (talk) 06:33, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

अनुवाद के विषय में।

जो विषय अंग्रेज़ी भाषा में पहले से उपलब्ध हैं, क्या उस सामग्री का अनुवाद मान्य है।

उदाहरण- चाड झील पर अंग्रेजी भाषा में लंबा लेख उपलब्ध है किंतु हिंदी में अत्यंत संक्षिप्त लेख है। क्या अनुवाद द्वारा इसका विस्तारीकरण मान्य है? — Preceding unsigned comment added by अरुण प्रताप (talkcontribs) 06:41, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Google Translate suggests that you are asking about the possibility/suitability translation from English articles into Hindi for the Hindi-language Wikipedia. If this is what you're asking about, you should do so within Hindi-language Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 06:57, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
अरुण प्रताप, Mere anumaan se us samagri ka anuvaad maanya hoga, bashertein sahi attribution diya gai ho. Aap us vishay ke talk page par yah template zaroor lagayen. Kyunki Hindi Wikipedia par yeh template hai yani anuvaad manya hai, phir bhi ek baar aap Hindi Wikipedia ki chaupaal par pata karke sunischit kar lijiye. --Skr15081997 (talk) 07:03, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Sortable table with stationary column

Is it possible to create a sortable table where one column does not move, even if the others are sorted? I would like to create a six-column table, where the first column is numbered sequentially downwards (say 1 to 10), and no matter how you sort the other five columns, the first column maintains the 1 through 10 numbering. Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 08:23, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

@Usernameunique: There is currently no way to do it in the same table. You can place another table with one column next to it but the two tables may become misaligned. See Help:Sorting#Auto-ranking or adding a row numbering column (1,2,3) next to a table. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:42, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

How to delete a fake Wikipedia post?


I noticed someone posted a fake Wikipedia about me titled Husan Sharif and I want to delete it, but it won't allow me to do so. Please remove it from Wikipedia permanently because someone was trying to be funny and I don't like it.

Thank you,

Husan Sharif — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:403:102:2B40:DB8:3089:2513:F4F6 (talk) 08:49, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

More than one editor seems to have claimed to be the subject of the article. The only reference is an invalid parked URL. Do we delete this article as a hoax? Dbfirs 09:11, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
  • If the article Husan Sharif is somewhat accurate, we do not care that today there are other homonyms. However, as Dbfirs say, right now the only link leads to a white page, and searching for sources in English pops up many contemporary homonyms.
Msoraimi is the author of that article as well as Alrashed Sahoubah. Do you have any source about the articles you create? TigraanClick here to contact me 09:22, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Reason for Deletion of an external link

Hi, My name is Anuragnath12345. I edited certain links in the wikipedia pages but it got deleted. I am new to this collaborative editing work and i feel that i was unfairly treated here. The page was based on Mycorrhiza and i provided an external link to Mycorrhiza Information Center which is a free to use website just like wikipedia website mainly for researchers in the field of Mycorrhiza.We are just disseminating information but it got deleted from a page on Mycorrhiza. The other external links currently visible in the page is also being given external link and they all look like paid advertisements. Mohammed hijri and Mycorwiki. all look like paid. I was just trying to give information on Mycorrhiza. Have anyone checked the site yet.i guess not. you just deleted because i associate with that group. we don't have a wiki page yet which i propose tomake in the near future. Kindly guide me where i was wrong.because the administrator who deleted and sent me the message didn't specify the reason for those website links to be there in the first place.The platform should be fair and i didn't advertise but rather wanted people to see the information center. This is just information based on a free website related to the field only. Teri -organisation name and the external link i gave- Mycorrhiza Network — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anuragnath12345 (talkcontribs) 09:45, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

We don't like lots of external links here on Wikipedia, and the fact that your addition was marked as a minor edit wouldn't go down well with other editors. Minor edits are spelling corrections etc. I don't know whether the link you added could be regarded as a WP:Reliable source. Who checks the content? Wikipedia doesn't regard itself as a reliable source. Do you have some connection with the website to which you linked? Dbfirs 11:11, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

A user apparently working under two names

A user, who has repeatedly been editing on article People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) under user name Vif12vf (like here on 13 April 11:54), after being addressed by me on the talk page connected to that article (in the context of an edit disagreement between him and me) started discussing on that talk page (15 April) under a different name. That is to say: someone signed a posting on that talk page as Tiberius Jarsve, while the talk page revision history tells that that posting was entered by user Vif12vf.
What is the proper and polite way for me to react on ‘this user’/'these users'/this situation? Do I consider and treat 'them' as one user or as two users? If the answer is 'two users': how do I directly, personally, contact Tiberius Jarsve when he seems to not have a personal user talk page? --Corriebertus (talk) 10:34, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

See WP:SIG#CustomSig. This explains everything.-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:32, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Submission edit

Hello there,

I made an edit putting a profile together for Carl Thompson. However, in my notices I see that the photos are being nominated for deletion.

I'm not sure if it is the photo or the actual bio of Carl Thompson that wasn't accepted or both. Is anyone available to help me with this please?

Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davepastor (talkcontribs) 11:04, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

For clarity, the files are over on Commons see this and this - X201 (talk) 11:51, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

@Davepastor: It's only the photos which are nominated for deletion at commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Davepastor. Commons logs do not show you created a page at the English Wikipedia. I have mentioned this and added one of the photos to User:Davepastor/sandbox. This page has not been reviewed or submitted for review. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:15, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Great many thanks I've submitted it for review now, photo and bio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davepastor (talkcontribs) 06:04, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Marcia Hafif

Could someone be so kind to enter her deathdate into the block at the right part of the site? I tried, but didn't get how to do it. Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 12:18, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

You just need to add the "death_date=" into the infobox, I have done it for you so have a look at the article to see how it was done. MilborneOne (talk) 12:48, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Editing additng topics

I am wondering what has to be done to edit pages as it seems to be very strict.

For example, I worked to tannoy for 4 years and held the historical documentation (still do) and actually edited/the wiki page when I worked there. I no longer have my work account email address as the company was bought over. why was it rejected? — Preceding unsigned comment added by David.A.R.Lai (talkcontribs) 13:00, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Hey David.A.R.Lai. Your edit was probably reverted at least in part because you did not include a citation to a reliable published source to indicate where the information came from. Content on Wikipedia needs to be based on sources that can be verified by readers, which usually means things like newspapers, magazines and books, and not things like primary historical documents you may personally posses, or things like personal correspondence. GMGtalk 13:20, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Your edit [1] looks incoherent to me. Try to write proper English, don't use all caps in names, and include a published reliable source. See Help:Referencing for beginners. Your personal knowledge cannot be used in Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:24, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Automatic links to Commons categories

As I have been creating categories and adding them to webpages, I have noticed that sometimes there's a link to the cateogry in the left-side column of a page: In other projects/Wikimedia Commons (example: []). How exactly is this created?
When I added the category to wikidata item, it didn't show up (maybe it takes time to propagate), but it did show up after I added the category link directly to the wikipage (but then it would be somewhat redundant). On the other hand, there are pages which have the link on a page, but this thing in the left column does not appear (example: []).
I am asking so that I do not waste time manually adding things that may be created automatically, or adding redundant stuff.
Are some wikidata items filled automatically? Can, for example, a category link being added to a wikipage, be picked up into wikidata, without a human having to writew it in? JiriMatejicek (talk) 13:19, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Hey JiriMatejicek. I don't know very much about Wikidata, but the box you see in the left hand corner is created using {{commonscat|PAGENAME}}. As far as I'm aware, this has to be added manually, and if I were to guess, is probably missing from several hundreds of thousands, if not millions of articles at present. GMGtalk 13:23, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Sorry if I wasn't clear enough - {{commonscat|PAGENAME}} is added manually (and I do it frequently) as a part of the wikipage text. The item in question is in the grey area on the left, i.e. not part of the page itself - it's among the automatically added links. JiriMatejicek (talk) 13:45, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
"In other projects" in the left pane of Swanbank, Queensland is an unrelated feature to "Wikimedia Commons has media related to" at the bottom right of Swanbank, Queensland. A page can have either or both. "In other projects" is added at Wikidata. Try clicking "Wikidata item" in the left pane of the desktop site, or search Wikidata for an existing item. A Wikidata item will automatically add links to all pages listed in the item. See Help:Interlanguage links. A newly created page may have no Wikidata item yet. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:36, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
So, to avoid redundant links, it is better to put the commons category in the wikidata, instead of the wikipage, and it will show up eventually (perhaps with a delay)? JiriMatejicek (talk) 13:47, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Incidentally PrimeHunter, you reckon it would be possible to generate a list of pages that have ILLs but no EL template? Something like that could be handy to have around...or even to request a bot to sort through. GMGtalk 13:40, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
A bot should certainly be able to do it but I'm not a bot coder. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:43, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Hey JiriMatejicek. As for right now, it's best to do both, since the template in external links is generally more accessible to readers than the inter language link in the sidebar. I would however be interested to know what the other Prime thought of the feasibility of a bot would be though. GMGtalk 13:53, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, not going to be much help here, as I try to avoid WikiData (from an "I can't be arsed to figure it out" perspective more than anything). Primefac (talk) 15:45, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Dr. Subramanian Swamy - Mentioned as best economist and lawyer of India

Think that Dr. Subramanian Swamy is not lawyer by profession in India, so it can be edited accordingly in the site.


Thanks & Regards Ravi Chennai, India — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:46, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Done. Gandalf61 (talk) 15:36, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Error with photo

Hello, while creating the page "Tupelo Game Days", I was prompted that the photo of our logo was not acceptable and it needed to be taken "with my own camera". I paid for the logo to be created and I own all the rights to it's use, why can I not upload a .jpg of it?

Thanks, Derek — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tupelogamedays (talkcontribs) 15:21, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

It's difficult to help without a link to the image or the article and "Tupelo Game Days" doesn't show up either. This edit is your only edit anywhere on any Wikimedia Project, did you use a different login? or were you not logged in when you uploaded them?. - X201 (talk) 15:33, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
The article Tupelo Game Days was deleted as G11 (Unambiguous advertising or promotion). --David Biddulph (talk) 01:46, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Hello, Tupelogamedays. If you indeed own the copyright to the logo, then you may indeed upload it to Commons and use it in a Wikipedia article - provided you are willing to license it irrevocably under a licence such as CC-BY-SA, which will allow anybody to alter or reuse it for any purpose, commercial or not, as long as they attribute it correctly. I doubt you will be willing to do that; but Wikipedia will not normally accept images that are not licensed in that way.
However, for logos, there is often another possibility: if the use meets all the criteria in NFCC, then it may be uploaded to Wikipedia (not to Commons) as a non-free image (and the owner's permission is not required or sought). One of the conditions is that the image is used in at least one main-space article, so don't try to do this until there is an article for it to go in. Please see WP:LOGO for more information.
On another subject, please note that your user name is probably not acceptable (user names which suggest that they represent organisations are not allowed: see WP:ORGNAME): you should either change it or (since you have made no edits except this one) abandon it and create an account which is personal to you (you do not have to use your real name: I do, but many editors use pseudonyms). Also, if you are planning to edit anything in any way connected with Tupelo Game Days, you need to read about conflict of interest, to understand why you are discouraged from editing it directly, and should declare your involvement (you must do so if you are in any way paid to do this). --ColinFine (talk) 15:41, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

New Fake News Pages

It would be great to get some lists started for fake news sites representing news for Financial, Science, and Health markets... (the way yall did with political ones) Thanks for your time.

Do it BIG out there,

Dolo Heinrich — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1003:B86A:AA9F:B044:356:1DDD:BB6B (talk) 15:39, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, we do have a broad List of fake news websites and also Fake news websites in the United States that might interest you. Thanks, L0URDES 18:34, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

editing a page

Avicii died and he is heavily protected from being edited can you left it or edited it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by EvilRedLion (talk • contribs) 17:44, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

@EvilRedLion: You can make an edit request at Talk:Avicii, using the instructions at Wikipedia:Edit requests. Make sure that your request follows one of these formats:
  • "please change X to Y because (reason)"
  • "add A between B and C because (reason)"
  • "remove (text) because (reason)."
Blank requests will be removed and requests without sufficient reason will not be carried out. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:59, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Definitions from textbooks

Is it allowed to use a sentence long definition verbatim from a textbook with a reference if the rest of the content is said in author's own words? Vs6507 18:04, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

In my opinion, no. Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing has more details that you might find appropriate. Ask again for more assistance. Thanks, L0URDES 18:32, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
If you quote it it would be ok, but probably better to write in your own words, and shouldn't be done in lead sentence. Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:46, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Copyright law is a mess. If the copyright has expired, a direct quote of any length is permitted, with attribution, so if you can find an old enough source of the definition, you can just use it (with attribution). For work still in copyright, the copyright applies to "creative elements". If there is only one way to state the definition, then it's not creative and you can copy it or closely paraphrase it (with citation). If there are several ways to state the definition, you must try to restate it in you own words. In the ideal case you will find multiple sources each with slightly different statements of the definition, and you can create a consensus definition and cite them all. This shows that you conveyed the information, not its "creative" form, since all of the authors were stating the same information. Please don't blame Wikipedia for this mess. We are just trying to obey the law. -Arch dude (talk) 19:02, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Cannot add image I own

Hi I am trying to add a movie poster to a page I've created. I own the poster image. Can you help with this? [] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kathleen.peiris (talkcontribs) 19:21, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Oh. This can be easily sorted out. First read Wikipedia:Username_policy#Real_names and send in a email to: >mailto:[email protected]< to show that you are not an impostor. Second: You say you own the poster image. We only have your word for that . Solution... Add references in that email to show that you are the rightful copyright owner. Aspro (talk) 20:06, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
But it's not enough just to show that you own the copyright to the image, I'm afraid, Kathleen.peiris. Images used in Wikipedia must normally be free for anybody to change or reuse for any purpose, either by being Public Domain, or being explicitly licensed by their owners under CC-BY-SA or similar. If you own the copyright, then you have the power to do that (see donating copyright materials) but you may not want to do so. --ColinFine (talk) 23:56, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

How to add a photo to Wikipedia

Please help me understand how to add a photo to an entry I've edited for R. Paul Van Dam. I have his Utah AG photo (no copyright) and would like to add it to the entry but am not sure how to do it. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by GOPHERUS (talk • contribs) 22:17, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

  • Why do you believe there is no copyright? Copyright is automatic and belongs to the photographer (or the photograbpher's employer in the case of a "work for hire"), so the photographer must explicitly release the photo into the public domain. For photographers who are US Federal employees, the US federal government, as the employer, releases all photographs into the public domain. Sorry, we did not make this law, but we are obliged to follow it. -Arch dude (talk) 23:02, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
  • If the picture is in the public domain, you should upload it at Wikimedia commons, bacause from there it can the be used here and also on other language versions of Wikipedia. Go there and then hit the "upload" link and follow the directions. the instructions are a bit complicated because we really are trying to adhere to the law. -Arch dude (talk) 23:11, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

new article submission not published yet

Hello. I submitted a new article earlier this month from my talk page and it has not yet been approved or appeared. It is an article about philanthropist/activist Dr. Marilyn Wells from Los Angeles. How can I track its progress or address its delay? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:9E60:5BB0:1D99:8BE5:7FDA:FC72 (talk) 22:43, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

You were not logged in when you posted this. I guess you are User:Sledding on a Snow Day and refer to User talk:Sledding on a Snow Day. I have moved your attempted submission to Draft:Marilyn Wells and will add a box with a submit button. You had actually not submitted it. Saving a page is not a submission. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:55, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
@2600:1700:9E60:5BB0:1D99:8BE5:7FDA:FC72 and Sledding on a Snow Day: a few things about your article: at the moment it is somewhat promotional and uses peacock terms. Wikipedia requires that all articles are strictly neutral. In addition, biographies of living persons (BLPs) have strict refrencing guidelines. Your article mentions a few sources, however it does not provide specific inline citations, which are an essential part of making sure that articles, especially BLPs, are verifiable. Also note that your article is still not submitted. PrimeHunter left that for you to do (and I'd recommend some further work before you do so). LittlePuppers (talk) 23:19, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

April 21

navigation pop-ups

Within the last week, whenever I open wikipedia, if I happen to scroll over a hyperlink, it turns into a pop-up. The article on wikipedia seems to describe this as an opt-in feature available to people with accounts. Has it become an impossible-to-get-away-from feature for casual visitors? I finally opened an account just so I could turn it off! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anordinaryname (talk • contribs) 00:36, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

@Anordinaryname:Logged out users can click the gear wheel at the lower right of the popup and disable the feature. The choice is remembered by a cookie so it's forgotten if you delete cookies or change computer or browser. Logged in users can disable it at "Page previews" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:47, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Money Heist actors


I wondered if Spanish actors Álvaro Morte (available in six other languages) and Pedro Alonso (three languages) could have English Wikipedia articles. They play the main characters of the Money Heist series (Netflix, huge success).

WhatsUpWorld (talk) 02:01, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

  • If they meet our notability standards (WP:NOTE) (i.e., multiple, substantial articles in reliable sources), then they should have articles here. Feel free to create the articles, and thanks. English sources are preferred but are not mandatory. The existence of articles on other language versions of Wikipedia does not necessarily mean they meet our criteria, since each language is a separate project with (possibly) separate rules. You are free to translate from other language versions, but if so, you must attribute your source: see Wikipedia:Translation. -Arch dude (talk) 06:42, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Meghan Markle

In the "early life" section, the word "from" is spelt incorrectly. cannot log in so please repair error. Thankyou (talk) 07:14, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

 Done HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 07:17, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Help needed for fixing a bar chart

I have used a Bart Chart for showing Decadal Population Growth on the Barasat II page. I find that the negative growth data for 1991-2001 decade is not showing. I need help to set it right. Cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 09:38, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

The question is about a template starting "{{#invoke:Chart ". You'll need someone who understands this template. Maproom (talk) 17:27, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
The documentation for Module:Chart says nothing about negative y values; talk page indicates that Module:Chart will never support -y. There is another: {{Graph:Chart}}. I've never used either of these so that's the limit of my knowledge.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 17:57, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
Many thanks for suggesting an alternative chart: {{Graph:Chart}}. This alternative chart is working fine. I have replaced the old chart on the Barasat II page. The problem is solved. Thanks, once again for the help. Cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 01:15, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Reason for sexual crime by human beings and preventive measures therefor as mentioned in Religious Granthas(Books)

Reason for sexual crime by human beings and preventive measures therefor as mentioned in Religious Granthas(Books)''''Bold text' Dear Sir,

       Since this is a burning problem I want to contribute onthe subject based on my concrete study with reference to Religious Granthas.
      I request to guide the procedure so that time to time my writings may get response/querries from a member ony religion or mythology on ongoing basis so that their doubts querris may be relied for their satisfaction in best possible way without sticking to any particar mythology in aneutral and universally applicable way for all human beings which is based on individual study and reserchfor decades.
      Thanking you in anticipation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by RAMESH KUMAR BAJORIA (talk • contribs) 09:58, 21 April 2018 (UTC) 
Hello, RAMESH KUMAR BAJORIA. I'm not quite clear what you're asking, but I suspect that Wikipedia is not the right location for it. Wikipedia is not for discussion or argumentation of any kind, unless it is directed at one single goal: making the contents of our articles better (in the sense that they accurately and neutrally summarise what reliable published sources say on the matter). If you wish to make existing articles meet that ideal better (or wish to create new articles which meet that ideal), you are most welcome. But if you wish to initiate discussions, present new arguments, or teach, then please find a platform other than Wikipedia. Please read about the five pillars. --ColinFine (talk) 10:16, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
What Colin is saying is: no original research. Alexis Jazz (talk) 11:26, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Edit conflict

I tried to edit Brushaber v. Union Pacific Railway, then I was told I was in conflict with another user, I have been studying the income tax for over 3 years. I have sited my sources, they can be looked up by anyone. I just spent 5 hours typing this in and now it is gone. Hell if you want to stay stupid that's O.K. I have been fighting the Government over this. What is the use of this discussion if I am wiped out. Look in the Congressional Records June 16, 1909 and March 27, 1943, I am not a lawyer but it's in plain English if you care to see. Is Big Brother in control here, I thought we were looking for facts. Well damn start looking and stop being a sheep! Knowledge is in the facts not the bullshit the lawyers say.1952JohnWhite (talk) 13:56, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

An edit conflict is when two people try to edit the same article at the same time. It's annoying, but inevitable occasionally in popular articles. The display shows the new text and your text, so I just copy my text, leave the page, then go back and make the edit again, or if someone else was editing the same paragraph, I copy my text to a text editor then merge as appropriate. Wikipedia does not have an autosave facility, so the best policy is to make your edits in small chunks and save (publish) every five minutes. There is a facility for putting an "in use" template on an article if you are making major edits (see below). An anonymous editor added some copyright material to Brushaber v. Union Pacific Railroad Co. but I assume that wasn't you. Wikipedia is not the place to pick a fight with the government, but if you have WP:Reliable sources for your edits, then go ahead and improve the article. Dbfirs 15:33, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
@1952JohnWhite:Hello, it is not quite clear from your post but it looks as if you have fallen foul of a regular Wikipedia 'niggle'. An 'edit conflict' comes about when another editor has changed a page whilst you were also in the process of editing it. It does not mean per se that there is anything wrong with your work. You should have seen a page with your changes towards the foot of the page alongside the stored version, giving you the opportunity to copy your edit and place into the stored version. If you are making an edit to a page which required a great deal of time eto complete you can place {{in use}} at the top of the page temporarily. Eagleash (talk) 15:36, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
Hello, 1952JohnWhite. Yes, it can be frustrating when you hit an edit conflict - a purely operational hiccup, and not in any way connected with conflict between editors. However, it sounds from your posting here as if your purpose is righting great wrongs, and that is explicitly not what Wikipedia is for (see that link). For the purposes of Wikipedia, facts are in reliable published secondary sources, and nowhere else. If you think that an article omits or misrepesents what commentators have published in reliable sources, then by all means edit the article to redress the fault. But if you want to present a new conclusion or interpretation from primary sources, then I'm afraid Wikipedia is absolutely not the place to do so: it would count as original research, which is strictly forbidden. --ColinFine (talk) 16:47, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
@1952JohnWhite: I would strongly recommend that you remove the content of your talk page as quickly as possible. Your talk page is for other editors to communicate with you and should not contain text which resembles an article or which is designed to give the impression that it is Wikipedia content. If it is not removed, it is likely to attract the wrong sort of attention from 'Admin.' Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 19:16, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Cluny MacPherson - Title misspelling

I have been adding information to the article Cluny MacPherson and realise that this spelling is incorrect. It should be Macpherson. This is the spelling used throughout the article and is verified by other sources I have checked including The Canadian Encyclopedia. It appears to be no simple task to fix this error. Can someone help? Thanks. Twofingered Typist (talk) 18:24, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

I started making the necessary moves, but I now need to know whether the spelling of Ewen MacPherson of Cluny has a capital P or not. Should we have a disambiguation page? What does anyone else think? Dbfirs 18:42, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
Looks like it should be a small P as well. [] in which case it needs to be corrected as well. A disambigation [age is probably a good idea. Thanks for your help. Twofingered Typist (talk) 15:32, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
Some Scottish newspapers use a small p and some use a capital P. Perhaps usage has changed over the centuries. Would you like to adjust the Ewen article if you are sure it should be a small p? Dbfirs 16:17, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
I think if the Clan's genealogy page uses a small p it should probably be changed, but your solution of "also known as" works too. I'd leave it as it is now. Many thanks for fixing Cluny Macpherson Twofingered Typist (talk) 18:50, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Barton court grammar school webpage incorrect

Urm, just check the school website, the staff list states that ol' Mr O Mitchell is actually the assistant head and in fact jim is not can we get a change to that please i tried to but got roasted by fatty gargoyle cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by SamWeinerdogedog (talkcontribs)

If you hadn't previously engaged in vandalism, then you would have been able to make that change yourself. The article is now correct. Dbfirs 20:33, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

April 22

NYC Mayor


In New York City mayoral election, 2017 #Results there is a weird code sequence I cannot get rid of. Can someone help please?


WhatsUpWorld (talk) 02:08, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

@WhatsUpWorld: I undid this unlikely edit, which broke the formatting. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:55, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Move draft to article space

I just finished my draft of a movie, and I’m trying to get it moved/published to the article space, but the instructions I found are not working for me. How do I do this?

Thanks! MissTofATX (talk) 02:58, 22 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX

Hello MissTofATX. I guess you are talking aboout Draft:Teenage Seductress (1975 Film). You could simply move it to article space, but I don't recommend that unless you are pretty sure it meets the standard for an article. A better solution, when it's ready, is to submit it for review by inserting {{subst:submit}} (with the double curly brackets) at the top. In time, a reviewer will look at it, and either accept it and move it to main space, or decline it and give you the reasons.
However, it is not worth submitting it at present, because it hasn't got a single reference. Please remember that Wikipedia has no interest whatever in what a random person on the internet thinks or knows about a subject - whether that random person is you, me, or anybody else. All Wikipedia articles need to be entirely based on what reliable published sources say about the subject, and ideally these sources should be cited: please see referencing for beginners.
Two other points: first, the parenthesised explanation "(1975 Film)" should not be in the title unless it is required to distinguish the article from something else with the same name. Don't worry about that now, though: the accepting reviewer will sort it out when they move it to main space. More seriously, the image is almost certainly not acceptable for copyright reasons. Images can be uploaded to Commons only if they are free for reuse (i.e. have been explicitly released by the copyright owner). This is rarely the case for film posters, and unless you can provide evidence that this has been released, it will shortly be deleted from Commons. However, Wikipedia articles about films and books do sometimes use images of their posters according to the non-free content criteria. Such images must be uploaded to Wikipedia itself, not Commons, and all the criteria must be met. One of the criteria is that the image must be used in at least one article in main-space, so if you go that route, you will need to wait until the article has been moved into main space before uploading the image. Please see WP:Image use policy. --ColinFine (talk) 08:41, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
@ColinFine:, Yes that is the movie. the ability to "move" the draft was what I was referring to when I said I had instructions that were not working for me. Where are good places to look for movie posters/images to utilize in such a reference? What I had now was a movie poster image. What qualifies as a proper reference for the movie? I've read lots of film plots on wiki and have not seen something specifically referencing it?

thanks! MissTofATX (talk) 09:05, 22 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX

Hello again MissTofATX. I should give up worrying about the image for the moment. You're unlikely to find a free-for-use image, so it's irrelevant until the article is in mainspace. Images are icing on the cake anyway: the important thing about an article is its references.
It's established that the film itself can be used as the source for the plot summary (see MOS:PLOT). But unless you get some solid reliable references about the film, the article will never be accepted, because you will not have established that the film is notable. Wikipedia is only interested in subjects where several people, unconnected with the subject, have chosen to write in some depth about it, and been published in reliable places. That is what the bulk of every Wikipedia article should be based on: a plot summary is only a little more important than an image. See WP:NOTPLOT--ColinFine (talk) 09:31, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Edits to .30-378 Weatherby Magnum

gdoo1 i dont know how this reference go in here but i didnt refer to it,,,and dont know how to remove it....The reference, if any is needed is me. I was there at the time and am writing the facts from that position — Preceding unsigned comment added by William strickland (talk • contribs) 04:12, 22 April 2018 UTC (UTC)

Edits based on a Wikipedia editor's personal activities are not allowed. Per WP:V edits must be based on reliable, published sources. Jc3s5h (talk) 05:07, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Change in a (hidden) table

Hello, I wanted to modify the table contained in "Plantations of Louisiana"; when I click on "Edit" I don't find the table...It seems it is referenced somewhere else. Where do I have to go to change some faulty entries? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RBETZ (talkcontribs) 10:27, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

@RBETZ: I guess you mean List of plantations in Louisiana. The code is there. Click the Edit tab at top of the page or the edit link at the heading of the section you want to edit. Maybe you clicked edit at the following section. If you mean another page then please post a link to it. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:09, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
Just to be certain, if you click "Edit" you will get the visual editor which displays the page almost as the page renders to the reader. If you are not familiar with vis-ed, might be be best to click "Edit source" to display the code. Eagleash (talk) 16:13, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Editor seeking suggestions for articles to edit

Re:what kind of article would u reccomend me to start editing?[2] I vaguely recall running across something that will recommend articles to edit, but I'm not finding it with quick searches. Are they still available? Can someone provide other suggestions for WikiPro04? --Ronz (talk) 15:28, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Maybe User:SuggestBot. See also Wikipedia:GettingStarted#Try it out and Wikipedia:Community portal#Help out. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:43, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

My signature.

Hello, I'm trying to make a signature (code is this:In Memoriam A.H.H.Hear ye!), However, Wikipedia says there is an error and won't let me use it as a wiki markup. Your help will be appreciated concerning my signature. Thanks. In Memoriam A.H.H. (I am good at fighting windmills.) 20:38, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Might be better to ask at WP:VPT. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:59, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
Write lowercase <sup>...</sup>: In Memoriam A.H.H.Hear ye!. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:07, 22 April 2018 (UTC)



I've worked on some pages, for example Lanzarote Airport. When I was editing I accidentally deleted something. Now, I feel bad, because I've got a warning (I think). I was editing some information when someone deleted my changes and said; caution. What do I have to do? Daniël Nefs (talk) 21:28, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

@Daniel Nefs: Hello, the problem seems to be ethat you added a date in respect of service resumption without providing a reliable source to corroborate your information. It's not a particularly serious situation — some editors would probably have given a milder 'caution as a result of your edit. As it says at your talk page you are quite at liberty to restore the information providing you supply a source. Please see WP:RS for what consitutes a good source and WP:REFB for a guide to adding citations. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 22:41, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
Ok, I understand, but at the wikipedia page of Groningen Airport Eelde does these dates come from. I can put in a source at the english one. Daniël Nefs (talk) 07:56, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
@Daniel Nefs: If there is information at a Wikipedia page which is referenced you can use it in another Wiki. page. However, you must provide an independent reliable source. (You can use the same source, it does not have to be in English). You cannot use a Wiki page as a reference (see WP:UGC). If you copy content from one Wiki. page to another, you must attribute it per WP:CWW. Thanks. Eagleash (talk) 08:15, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Ok, that's clear. Thank you Daniël Nefs (talk) 12:16, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Question by Iain C. Phillips

How do I "escalate" a Talk piece to a Wikipedia contribution? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iain C. Phillips (talkcontribs) 22:15, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

@Iain C. Phillips: I am assuming you mean this [3]. You can check out this page, WP:YFA, which will guide you on creating a draft for a Wikipedia article. I would recommend checking out WP:Notability and WP:RS first, as all articles must pass Wikipedia's notability criteria and have reliable, third party sources. Please note that if you have a close connection with the subject it must be declared (check out WP:PSCOI). HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 22:21, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
Upon further investigation, it looks like all or a majority of that content is copied from ([]). Please note that Wikipedia has strict rules about copyright and all text added to Wikipedia must be in your own words (with some minor exceptions). HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 22:30, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

April 23

Philip Milito

Draft article on Philip Milito

Philip Milito (February 28, 1953 – June 16, 2016) was an American poet, born and raised in the Northeast Bronx. He produced thousands of poems. He also contributed numerous critical commentaries to The Canadian Encyclopedia and Banned Books: Literature Suppressed on Religious Grounds.[1] His poetry is notable for its evocative imagery, the struggle with God and the human condition, its occasional biting humor, and its dark vision. His often quoted poem Twice-Poisoned Dog[2] reflects his worldview, at least in part: “We desire the way / A twice-poisoned dog / Eyes a third piece of meat.” He was particularly interested in, and felt a kinship with, society’s outcasts, a subject that he explored in depth in his book-length poem, Wails of the Wraecca, which was inspired by the old English Anglo-Saxon poem The Wanderer.

Early Years Milito attended St. Lucy’s School, PS 89, JHS 135, Christopher Columbus High School, and Hunter College.

Milito developed a strong interest in poetry and music as a teenager and began to compose original poems and lyrics. He also became an accomplished harmonica player. After leaving Hunter College, Milito moved to the Los Angeles area, but he returned to New York City in 1978 and worked at a variety of odd jobs while he continued to write and occasionally publish. In 1988, he began to work at the Mid-Manhattan Library, a branch of the New York Public Library in Manhattan, and a year later joined the staff of the Henry W. and Albert A. Berg Collection of English and American Literature at the New York Public Library on 42nd Street and Fifth Avenue, where he served a specialized reading public for nearly 20 years, before retiring in 2008 to write full time.

Influences Milito read both widely and deeply, and his eclectic literary taste found a home in the work of many writers and musicians, chief among them Bob Dylan and Kenneth Rexroth. Other influences included James Agee, W. H. Auden, Charles Baudelaire, William Blake, Charles Bukowski, Leonard Cohen, James Joyce, Malcolm Lowry, Kenneth Patchen, Arthur Rimbaud, and Walt Whitman, to name only some of those he read continually throughout his lifetime.

Death In May 2015, Milito was diagnosed with inoperable liver cancer. He died on June 16, 2016, in Astoria, New York, at Mt. Sinai Hospital of Queens.

Milito’s later work is available on the blog that he kept, which contains hundreds of poems written from 2008 to just a week before his death[3]. A collection of selected poems is currently being compiled, with plans for future publication in progress.

SELECTED WORKS BY PHILIP MILITO The Moon Hidden by Clouds. (1994; revised and reissued 2016). “We desire,” in Bleeding Hearts, ed. Michelle Lovric (London: Aurum Press, Ltd., 1998).[4] Wails of the Wraecca (New York: The Anarchist Press, 1999). “Ephelia, by Maureen E. Mulvihill,” Book Review, Seventeenth Century News (Spring-Summer 2004): 119–123. Banned Books: Literature Suppressed on Religious Grounds, Revised Edition, ed. Margaret Bald (New York: Facts on File, July 2011).[5] Contributed entries (comprehensive book summaries, detailed censorship history, recommended reading) for: • Karen Armstrong, The Battle for God. • Dan Brown, The Da Vinci Code. • Sadegh Hedayat, The Blind Owl. • Jyette Klausen, The Cartoons That Shook the World. • Shahrnush Parsipur, Touba and the Meaning of Night. • Philip Pullman, His Dark Materials trilogy: The Golden Compass; The Subtle Knife; The Amber Spyglass. Canadian Encyclopedia Online — (Toronto: Institut de Historica-Dominion, 2011). Contributed biographical and critical essays on Canadian poets: • Richard Thomas Greene • Anne Simpson • Anne Compton • Rita Wong • John Pass • Judith Fitzgerald • John Steffler • John Terpstra • Carmine Starnino • Robert Hillies • Barry Dempster • Douglas Lochhead • Patrick Friesen

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Please read Wikipedia:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners. Maproom (talk) 07:10, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

B Bush

May 15, 2010 Sewanee: The University of the South TE Doctorate[10

Last line before foot notes TE should be TN. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:243:701:2CE9:2845:FD69:694D:3AAC (talk) 01:50, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

It's been fixed (in Barbara Bush): Noyster (talk), 08:41, 23 April 2018 (UTC)


My name is Jerry Story. My 16th Grandfather is Robert Arden

Story. The name changed from Arden to Story following War of the Roses.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:26, 23 April 2018 (UTC) 
And what does that have to do with editing Wikipedia? --Orange Mike | Talk 02:30, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
Wiki Delete question --Bluebob ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by XXMasterGrammer56Xx (talkcontribs) 15:57, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Diana, Princess of Wales

Should reference number 47 have the publisher - BBC - written in italics? I note that many of the other publishers in the citations from newspapers/books seem to be. Thanks (talk) 03:42, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

The publisher parameter does not automatically italicise the content whereas the 'work' and 'website' parameters do. Italics are meant for things such as newspapers, magazines, films etc. I.e. a 'work' in the creative sense. In this case the BBC is an 'organisation' and therefore not normally italicised. If you'd used website and (say) then it would have rendered in italics. Eagleash (talk) 06:33, 23 April 2018

THANKS (talk) 07:25, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref


I'm working on creating a page and seemed to have misunderstood the process of citing. I thought I was following citation guidelines but the reference portion of the page came out like this: [1] Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name "LoC" defined multiple times with different content (see the help page). Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name "LoC" defined multiple times with different content (see the help page). Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name "LoC" defined multiple times with different content (see the help page). Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name "LoC" defined multiple times with different content (see the help page). Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name "LoC" defined multiple times with different content (see the help page). Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name "LoC" defined multiple times with different content (see the help page). Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name "LoC" defined multiple times with different content (see the help page). Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name "LoC" defined multiple times with different content (see the help page). Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name "LoC" defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

What might I have done wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Performaphage (talkcontribs) 15:51, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Performaphage. It looks as if you have defined multiple citations (which is fine) but given them all the same name (which is not). If you would tell us which page this was on, we could look. The only content page you appear to have edited is Draft:CultureHub, which you started after this message. I'm guessing you must have edited a page without logging in (which is fine) but we can't find it unless you tell us. --ColinFine (talk) 16:05, 23 April 2018 (UTC)


On the Islamic state of Iraq and the levent along the side it says that "state opponents" and "non-state opponents", I don't think that those words (that i put in quotes) are the proper words, but i can not edit that to make it correct because it has a lock on it. Could you guys fix that please to help me better understand ISIS.

XXMasterGrammer56Xx (talk) 15:56, 23 April 2018 (UTC)XXMasterGrammer56Xx
Hello, XXMasterGrammer56Xx. Please make your suggestion on the talk page Talk:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. It will help if you indicate what you think is wrong with those words, or what they should be changed to, because I have no idea what you think is wrong. --ColinFine (talk) 16:08, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Page Deleted

Hello There, In 2014 I tired to edit the page of my late grandfather. I'm not sure how this all works, but the page was created by someone at some point non of my family and i would like to add more details to his life. instead of where he was born and where he died.

Can someone help me please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by FCosway (talkcontribs) 16:48, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

@FCosway: Can you provide a link or at least a pagename so someone can look at the current situation? You seem to indicate that the page was deleted. Have you seen that information anywhere? Please sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~).
Or is this to do with Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Vic Sutton. If so, click on that link and you will find a link to a page where you can request restoration of the page and also a link to the Admin. who deleted it, who may be able to help. Eagleash (talk) 17:00, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello, FCosway. Wikipedia works rather differently from how many people expect it to. It is the norm that articles are written by people who are not family of the subject: friends, relatives, and associates of a subject are discouraged from directly editing an article about the subject. If you wish to suggest improvements to the article about your grandfather, you are welcome to suggest them on the article's talk page - if you add {{edit request}} (with the double curly brackets) it will put your suggestion on a list of waiting edits. Secondly, we require that all information be found in reliably published sources. If information you want to add has been published somewhere, it can be added (it will be helpful if you identify the sources, but another editor might be able to find them). But if it is only from your personal recollection, or from unpublished papers, I'm afraid we can't use the information. --ColinFine (talk) 17:03, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Needs Urgent action on Unsocial elements trying to delete or edit false at my page

Moved here from Wikipedia talk:Help desk/Archives -- John of Reading (talk) 17:25, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Kindly Guide me how we can stop or take action against some unsocial Elements who are doing wrong false edition at my page which was recently created by name Bappusaheb Bhosale , I will request to guide me about the same . Thank you B Bhosale (talk) 16:43, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

  • The article Bappusaheb Bhosale was deleted by a community discussion (this one) because it did not comply with the sourcing requirements of WP:BIO (in-depth coverage in reliable secondary sources). You may appeal the deletion at this page, or may ask for the page to be restored to Draft space so you can work on it to try to fix the problems that led to it being deleted. No urgent action is required, and nor are the users involved "unsocial elements"; they are merely normal editors performing normal tasks. Also, your name is the same as the article - although I note you did not write the original article, this is just to note you should not be writing about yourself. Black Kite (talk) 17:47, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Conflict of interest

Hi! Is there a page where i can report COI? I would do it myself but i have no experience with it, or admin rights to enforce it. Thank you --Ben Stone 20:38, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

@Benstown: Check out WP:COIN. I haven't used it myself, so read the guidelines there before making a report. RudolfRed (talk) 20:44, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Edit toolbar icons

The icons have changed. When did that happen, and can I go back to the icons I'm familiar with?--Bbb23 (talk) 22:33, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

It's announced in Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Tech News: 2018-17:
I don't know a way to go back. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:08, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, PrimeHunter.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:13, 23 April 2018 (UTC)