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Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard

Welcome to the dispute resolution noticeboard (DRN)

This is an informal place to resolve small content disputes as part of dispute resolution. It may also be used as a tool to direct certain discussions to more appropriate forums, such as requests for comment, mediation, or other noticeboards. You can ask a question on the talk page. This is an early stop for most disputes on Wikipedia. You are not required to participate. Any editor may volunteer! Click this button Button rediriger.png to add your name! You don't need to volunteer to help. Please feel free to comment below on any case. Be civil and remember; Maintain Wikipedia policy: it is usually a misuse of a talk page to continue to argue any point that has not met policy requirements. "Editors must take particular care adding information about living persons to any Wikipedia page. This may also apply to some groups.

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Case Created Last volunteer edit Last modified
Title Status User Time User Time User Time
Ant-Man and the Wasp‎‎ New Aeusoes1 (t) 4 days, 7 hours Robert McClenon (t) 4 days, 4 hours Adamstom.97 (t) 3 days, 21 hours
Draft talk:Verastem_Oncology New Dolcevikasf (t) 1 days, 9 hours Robert McClenon (t) 23 hours Robert McClenon (t) 23 hours

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Last updated by DRN clerk bot (talk) at 05:30, 18 August 2018 (UTC)


Current disputes

Ant-Man and the Wasp‎‎

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Filed by Aeusoes1 on 19:33, 14 August 2018 (UTC).

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

Users involved

Dispute overview

I'm trying to make some simple edits to the plot section but these edits keep getting reverted with no explanation.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

I've tried to get other editors (particularly Adamstom.97) to explain what is wrong with my edits in talk page discussion. I've been told that my edits were both too dramatic (requiring me to get consensus beforehand) and not different enough (so it's not worth changing). Neither answer clarifies anything. I haven't gotten an indication of how my proposed edits are actually problematic.

How do you think we can help?

Help prompt the other editors involved to articulate the issues they have with my edits so that I can adjust accordingly or respond. It also seems to me that someone here has a misunderstanding of the BRD process, so adjudicating that would be helpful going forward.

Summary of dispute by Adamstom.97

As I explained at the article's talk page, this user made lots of little changes to align the summary with their own personal preference. If everyone kept doing this then the summary would always be changing, which is why a consensus version was settled upon by multiple editors in the weeks following the film's release. Now, the summary should only be changed if there is an actual issue, not just because one user prefers slightly different phrasing. Basically, we want to avoid changes for changes' sake.

I am sympathetic towards this user because I have been in their shoes before, trying to improve a plot summary but being told that the consensus version should only be changed to fix and explicit, objective problem. I have come to agree with that interpretation since, which is why that has been my position throughout this dispute now. If the user believes that there is an actual problem with the summary that needs addressing, they are more than welcome to raise that issue at the talk page and propose a solution. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:23, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by Favre1fan93

Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.

Ant-Man and the Wasp‎‎ discussion

Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
  • Volunteer note - There has been discussion on the article talk page. The filing editor has notified the other editors. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:26, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Draft talk:Verastem_Oncology

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Filed by Dolcevikasf on 17:22, 17 August 2018 (UTC).

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

Users involved

Dispute overview

The editor has been unreasonably harsh towards all my attempts to resolve publishing an article on a notable company. I followed COI as instructed. I made mistakes in the process - and was accused of "bs", "hiding to avoid the process", "lies" and many other offensive terms. I understand the editors are acting as watchdogs, however, this individual is attacking me personally, and this I believe requires an unbiased third party to review and make a determination on next step. The current editor follows subjective set of criteria, and rather than provide suggestions, plays decision-maker (which he is not) by saying - do not publish.

Goal: have a third party editor and volunteer community editors review and revise the article in question.

Of note, I beleive "Pipeline" section helps significantly, and listed all the trials for the company, sourcing everything from ClinicalTrials.gov. The editor removed the section, and then in the comments mentioned that article "failed to mention other drugs in development". I am very concerned that personal assumptions and accusations of alterios motives compromize the quality AND diversity of editorial on Wikipedia. I am a female editor and have contributed to biotech articles in the past.

dolcevikasf


Have you tried to resolve this previously?

Multiple discussions where I was a subject to personal attacks and name calling. This is unacceptable.

How do you think we can help?

Third party unbiased review and editorial. Also, going forward, the editor should be requested to refrain from labels, libel and name calling that is unprofessional and borderline bullying.

Summary of dispute by jytdog

Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.

Draft talk:Verastem_Oncology discussion

Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
  • Volunteer note - There has been discussion at the draft talk page, but it has not been extensive. The filing editor has not notified the other editor on their talk page. There are two unusual features of this dispute. First, the page in question is in draft space, having been draftified by Jytdog, rather than in article space. This noticeboard is primarily for disputes about article content. Second, the filing party is a declared paid editor. This noticeboard does not have a specific policy against handling disputes brought by paid editors, but some volunteers will not moderate a case involving a paid editor because they oppose paid editing and cannot be neutral. If this dispute goes to a conduct forum such as WP:ANI, it is much more likely that sanctions will be imposed on the paid editor than on the volunteer editor. Yes, paid editors really are and should be held to a higher standard, because Wikipedia is not for advertising, and paid editors really are not likely to be good judges of what is neutral encyclopedic writing. This case will probably be closed shortly due to inadequate discussion on the talk page. The filing editor is strongly advised to try to listen to other editors, even other editors who don't like paid editing, and to make an extraordinary effort to be reasonable. (Volunteer editors should make an ordinary effort to be reasonable. Conflict of interest really does interfere with reasonableness.) Robert McClenon (talk) 19:33, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Volunteer note - The filing editor says that they have been subjected to personal attacks. On reading their talk page, I see disagreement, but I do not see what I think are personal attacks. Also, this noticeboard is not a place to report personal attacks. Personal attacks should be reported at WP:ANI, but it would be a good idea first to read the boomerang essay. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:37, 18 August 2018 (UTC)