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13 Dec 2011 6:52am, EST

Hunt for terrorists shifts to 'dangerous' North Africa, Panetta says

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Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, left, speaks with the President of Djibouti Ismail Omar Guelleh during a visit to Camp Lemonier in Djibouti on Tuesday.

By NBC News, staff and news services

CAMP LEMONIER, Djibouti - U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Tuesday that U.S. operations against al-Qaida are now concentrating on key groups in Yemen, Somalia and North Africa.

Panetta said efforts against the al-Qaida affiliates depend on American partnerships with countries like Djibouti, a key regional ally that hosts the Combined Joint Task Force-Horn of Africa, the only U.S. base in sub-Saharan Africa.

"It's fair to say that the United States is intent on going after al-Qaida wherever they locate, and making sure they have no place to hide," said Panetta, who was making his first trip to Djibouti.

As the U.S. winds down operations in Iraq and begins its methodical withdrawal from Afghanistan, the U.S. military has increasingly focused on Africa — particularly the north, where insurgents have found sanctuary.

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The military base in this tiny port nation is the launchpad for U.S. drones used for intelligence, surveillance and, at times, strikes against insurgents in terror hotspots.  The more than 3,000 U.S. service members assigned represent all U.S. military services, including 500 members of the National Guard, NBC News reported.

A senior defense official described the security situation in Djibouti as "quite dynamic," NBC News journalists traveling with Panetta reported.

President Obama touts the end of the divisive Iraq war and warns Iraq's neighbors that the US would remain a major player in the region even as it brings its troops home. Watch his entire statement.

"They have been very good partners, there when we need them. A tiny country in a very dangerous part of the continent," the official told NBC News.

U.S. officials have acknowledged that as the threat from al-Qaida leaders in Pakistan declines — largely due to U.S. strikes that have killed insurgents or kept them on the run — affiliated groups in Africa and Yemen have taken on more active and dangerous roles.

The worry is that militant groups — including al-Shabab in Somalia and al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula in Yemen — operate out of safe havens in lawless countries.

"Our goal is to make sure that wherever they go, we go after them and make sure that they are not able to ever develop the kind of planning that would involve attacks on our homeland," Panetta told reporters traveling with him.

Panetta told U.S. troops stationed in Djibouti that he will visit Libya, becoming the first Pentagon chief to travel to the embattled country, which is emerging from an eight-month civil war. He said he will also travel to Iraq in the coming days for a ceremony marking the end of the U.S. military mission there after nearly nine years at war.

More militant connections?
Militants based in Somalia and Yemen have been at the heart of a number of deadly terror attacks in the region, and several near-misses in the U.S.

The Somalia-based al-Shabab, which is linked to al-Qaida, unleashed twin bombings in Kampala, Uganda, that killed 76 in 2010. The group is particularly worrisome because it has recruited dozens of Somali-Americans, particularly young men, to travel to Somalia and take up the fight.

On Christmas Day 2009, a Nigerian man tried to blow up an airliner over Detroit during a flight that originated from Lagos, Nigeria.

U.S. and European officials also worry that al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb — which operates in the west and north of Africa — is working to establish links with al-Shabab and the Nigerian group Boko Haram.

Panetta met with Djibouti President Ismail Omar Guelleh as well as some of the U.S. troops based in the country.

U.S. defense officials said Djibouti is planning to deploy some troops to the Somalia mission, joining forces from Uganda and Burundi who are working to push al-Shabab back, particularly from key areas around the capital region.

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Panetta's plan to visit Libya comes amid ongoing violence there, including recent clashes between revolutionary fighters and national army troops near Tripoli's airport.

Panetta said Libya reflects the ongoing changes in the region after the Arab Spring, and said the U.S. wants to help Libyans move in the right direction as the people take back their country. With military assistance from the U.S. and NATO, Libyans ousted and later killed longtime leader Moammar Gadhafi earlier this year.

NBC News,  and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Getting out of two wars and looking for another one . How stupid is Panetta anyway ????? Let those people fight their own battles . If they are not smart enough to crush Al-Qaida in their own country sucks for them . Uncle Sam is sick and tired of being the worlds policeman . ( Uncle Sam --- you and I the tax payers ).


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#1 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:16 AM EST PeAcE LoVeR-2838047

Damn it Obama how about concentrating on America by stopping muslim iimigration and securing our borders and airport entries?........''As the U.S. winds down operations in Iraq and begins its methodical withdrawal from Afghanistan, the U.S. military has increasingly focused on Africa — '' can't we have a break from WAR? We need a change in leadership I am leaning more and more towards Ron Paul as the PEACE PRESIDENT!

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#1.1 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:53 AM EST PeAcE LoVeR-2838047

bob1/28''Getting out of two wars and looking for another one . How stupid is Panetta anyway ?????'' Totally agree Bob haven't we had enough Damn wars? Ten years already the American people are sick of the wars being waged by the politicians and the corporations!

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#1.2 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:57 AM EST Coral Taxi

@ Peacelover; If you see a small hornets nest up in the inside corner of your porch, do you let it grow to a dangerous size, or do you destroy the nest so they do not grow or come back? I think we all know the logical answer to this one.

I agree the country is war weary, but if we stop now all we have done in the past 10 yrs will surely grow back.

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#1.3 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:12 AM EST PeAcE LoVeR-2838047

Coral Taxi does it make any sense on our part to be over in the land of mohammed dealing with them? I say no this is stupid we are putting our young men and women on the ground with these brainwashed homicidal maniacs,and for what? We are so naive as a country to think that we can help these people,and I continue to believe that these mud hut and cave dwellers with ak47 rifles and rpgs are only a threat because we have placed 100,000 plus Americans from the safety of our wonderful country{usa} to a smouldering hellhole halfway around the world! What a scam to keep the war industry going,for over fourty years we were able to stare down and succesfully defend against the powerful Soviet empire,yet we are unable to defend our shores against a ragtag group of dirty backwards muslim warriors with rpgs and ak-47s. I refuse to believe that the greatest country in the history of the world is threatened by the medieval nitwits that wipe their azzez with their left hand. No subs no warplanes,no missiles no nukes? stop them at our airports and immigration offices and secure the border! I do respect your point of view Coral Taxi just disagree with the strategy.

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#1.4 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:23 AM EST bob1/28

coral taxie

Even a small hornets nest will get you killed if you are allergic to the sting .

But the fact remains : we can not afford to do it any longer !!! What do you want our country to become ????? A nation of widows and orphans living off some other country's welfare. What is it you do not understand ??? The fact is it is a contrived political / industrial complex war !!! It is meant to make the rich richer and put you and I in the poor house if not into our graves . Time for you to wake up and smell the coffee.


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#1.5 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:30 AM EST Coral Taxi

@ bobi, peacelover; Yes it would be an ideal world if we could just mind our business, and not worry about what the rest of the world is doing. Sorry to inform you this is not an ideal world, we must stick our nose in it or be left behind, or allow thousand of innocents to die daily. eg If we stopped grain shipments to NK, many would starve, we are the type of country that feeds its enemy, or lifts it up after we have given them a what for.

footnote; (NK has more American flags displayed than any other country in the world,because the millions of grain sacks we send have our flag on both sides,and they are used for many pourposes after the grain is delivered.)

The same war machine you all preach against is the same one that is allowing us to sit here and voice our opinions, without fear of a knock on the door from some government agency, like in China,NK,Iran, and be arrested, or hung for that matter.

To me this is priceless. So Bobi, I would say we can not afford not to protect ourselves, and yes Americans die, there are many widows, this is the necessary evil that you all rail against, but it is also the same necessary evil that keeps us free.

"does it make any sense on our part to be over in the land of mohammed dealing with them?"

Yes peacelover it does make sense for centuries we have brought the fight to them.This is how we roll. When we are poked we poke back harder. The Japanese, and Germans learned this the hard way, as will Al queada. So be happy we bring it to them, and it makes perfect sense, as far as our security is concerned.

The fact is it is a contrived political / industrial complex war !!!

Oh really? Tell the thousands that suffered loss on 9/11 how contrived it is. Al queda nor the Taliban are contrived sir. You are the one whom needs to wake up.

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#1.6 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:58 AM EST bill s-374237

Coral taxi..

You were apparently never in the military. If you were you would know someone 9000 miles away with a war donkey and an AK47 if no risk to the US. The TV warriors are all afraid of everything

It is only because so many people have never been in the military that stupid statements are made. Only one of the present candidates has served in the military. And this is the same person, who says this war crap with the whole world is not making us safer, and is simply making us poorer.

Do you wet you pajamas before you cry yourself to sleep at night? Do you check under your bed for the Taliban? Do you check your closet for Mooslims?

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#1.7 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:18 AM EST bob1/28

9/11 ????

It looks like the flying fickled finger of fate also points to G. W. B. and his boys . The jury is still out on that one and I am not tottaly sure either .


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#1.8 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:21 AM EST Coral Taxi

@ bill; Umm the guys with the donkeys, and aks are the same ones that killed thousands, on 9/11, and you say they are no risk? Very ignorant.

"Do you wet you pajamas before you cry yourself to sleep at night? Do you check under your bed for the Taliban? Do you check your closet for Mooslims?"

Umm no because I live in a country that has the biggest baddest armed forces in the world, and we take the fight to them, so I sleep just fine. Your last sentence is very racist by the way, and insultive, which shows I have struck a nerve with you.

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#1.9 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:41 AM EST tigerboy-3986543

I think we have already been in these countries for a while now so you are hearing the "official" version from the administration--otherwise it is and has been business as usual.

    #1.10 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:22 AM EST Coral Taxi

    @ Bill; Yes bill tuck and run, because you are so wrong, and such a huge hypocrite, why dont you go live with the ones on the "war donkeys" with the aks, if they are so innocent, your head would be gone within days.

    "And this is the same person, who says this war crap with the whole world is not making us safer, and is simply making us poorer."

    Who are you talking about(same person), that says the war is making us poorer, and not safer? Who are you talking about?

    Come back, you are the one that is the coward, as your ignorance is exposed.

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    #1.11 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:45 AM EST Coral Taxi

    It seems most on this vine would want to retreat, and let the hornets nest grow. This would be dangerous to your and my health. Sure sign of a war weary country, but we must do what we must.

    You are only empowering the enemy, and showing your resolve is being broken, because of the horrors and cost of the wars. But yet here you stand and breathe because of all those that have fallen before you, so thatyou can live in peace, it was o.k then, but not now?

    You can not have it both ways, you are either a true patriot,100% or you are not.

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    #1.12 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:07 PM EST bob1/28

    Coral Taxie

    Please feel free to take a very long walk off a very short pier .

    I am a combat vet from a war just like these . I know what it is like to fight and what it is like when you can not trust the people you were sent their to fight for . You refuse to admit that these wars were started by the capitans of industry along with the fat cat bankers all for profit. Profit at all cost , damn the poor G.I. we'll just send in a thousand more . And a thousand more after that untill we get super rich.


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    #1.13 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:50 PM EST Coral Taxi

    @bob; Woah bob such hostility; As a true veteran of war Bob,you should know that it is not the place of the solidier,Marine,pilot,sailor, to question, it is their duty to follow orders,and honor the oath taken. They are fighting for their families, and friends,and Americans period,not the "capitans of industry"or "fat cats" use your head.

    They fight for duty and honor,and do not question as you do.If the greatest generation on earth thought like most on this vine,I would be having, schnitzels,sauer kraut, and warm beer for

    Wars have always been fought on the backs of the poor and middle class, and they and you have done a great job of it. This is not new news.

    "You refuse to admit that these wars were started by the capitans of industry along with the fat cat bankers all for profit."

    Yes I do Bob, we have killed the one whom started this war. You sound like one of those conspiracy theorist, not a war vet.You think this war was started by fat cats for profit,lol. Come on Bob.

      #1.14 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:59 PM EST Coral Taxi

      @ bobi,bill, peacelover;

      Benjamin Stoddert, who said in 1798 that “by keeping up incessant attacks upon the [enemy] on their own ground, they will in a degree at least be prevented from coming on ours.” Such actions actually prevented a full war with France and continued George Washington’s clearly stated preference for peace through strength.

      This still applies today more than ever. The difference is that we are using drones, and covert ops,not cannons and So I guess you are all against the father of our country's tactics, you know the ones the kept you from saying wee, wee, or konichiwa ,or,

        #1.15 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:45 PM EST bob1/28

        @Coral Taxie

        Just for the record : I hold a C.I.B. , Combat Air Medal , Viet Namese Cross of Gallantry , and A BRONZE STAR WITH " V " Device with OAK LEAF CLUSTER . Got screwed out of my third bronze star .

        My war was a political war just like these are . Started by the C.I.A. North Africais just another C.I.A. operation gone bad . They as the N.S.A. is suppose to do is gather info about other nations NOT START WARS . We ( you and I ) can talk about this till the cows come home , all to no avail . As G.W.B. first said this is a war of MISS INFORMATION----DISINFORMATION---AND INFORMATION . Damn short on real info part . It has been proven throughout our history . That we are a war based economy . No war = flat economy . But this time is different , every countre in the world is going broke . We can fight this war from the home fromt . Check out the posting about Belgium , gernade attack , believe it is posting # 11 ( not sure about the number ). When you take that walk please bring a towl with you ( to dry off that is ).


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        #1.16 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:20 PM EST Coral Taxi

        @ bobi; Theses wars are going against the evil that attacked us,ot for politics, even Obama who I thought was going to go soft, went hard on them, ramping up the war even more, with many successes, and one great success.

        CIA operations gone bad ? We are on the inside now, and our intel is better than ever, this is what is keeping us safe, and you say these are operations gone bad. Your service to our country is greatly appreciated, your ignorance to what is really going on is not

        Anything could start a war, that is very ambiguous, so blaming the CIA, is definitely not right. The post 11 says nothing about Belgium, so I am still dry.

          #1.17 - Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:55 AM EST mqira

          @Bob......i agree with all of your comments

          @Peacelover....mostly agree with you....You stated that America should concetrate on stopping muslim immigration, securing our borders and airport entries. While i agree with securing our borders and airport entries....i dont agree with the muslim immigration statement. Remember that this country is extremely diverse and that is one reason of America's greatness. Should we stop all Italian immigration because of The Italian mafia, or not allow the Catholic Church to fucntion because of the pedophile priests??? Also keep in mind that the United States media does not show you all of what is going on....only what they want you to see. Here is a bit of a fact that many are not aware of: Isreali's and Pakistani's actually get along, however the media doesnt show this...they only show the fighting (keeps us involved). Yes there is a conflict in the area. but the civilians mostly get along and work and live amongst one another.

          @Coral Taxi....Man you have some issues. I love this country, however i have to admit, we have overstepped our boundaries! There is a time when you have to man up and accept that we need to get out of these wars! North Africa....must be alot of oil in that region! There is no other reason we are going there! Dont believe everyhing you see or hear in our media....Dont beliveve everything you hear from our government. Do yourself a some homework on the Iran-Contra affair...Our Government starts alot of the shlt we get our selves into. Back when Kuwait wars was going on, The US made Sadam Hussein powerful.

          Just because we are the "biggest and baddest" military as you pointed out...does that mean we should step on everyone, ...are you saying we should the the world police? or should we just go beating everyone up...because we can??? i thought America was based on freedom, but we wont allow it for anyone else??? We need to get out of other countries and fix America...because America has gone to sh't......I love this country and want this country to be the respected country it once was....but it wont happen with all these lies we create to to get us into another war! Again dont listen to the news....its misguided!

            #1.18 - Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:23 PM EST Coral Taxi

            @mqira; You agree with everything bobi says and you say I have He seems to think politics started these wars and that we are fighting for bankers and fat Read my post 26;14, whereas I explain to bobi what and whom they(our forces) are fighting for. Which I recieved no argument back from him.

            I have followed the ME, everyday since I was 13, I am now 34,ooops just kidding, My sources go deeper than the media, but in real time reports, we recieve today, you can see and hear,so they become facts, no matter what media outlet is delivering them.

            My biggest and baddest comment was in the context of defense, not offense as you are suggesting, you are taking it out of context to help support your post, so your "just go in beating everyone up comment",is way off, I was saying I felt protected and safe because of our forces and you turn my words around.

            i thought America was based on freedom, but we wont allow it for anyone else??? We need to get out of other countries and fix America...because America has gone to sh't......

            We are based on freedom, are you not free? This is where the ignorance, and hypocricy of the "anti war people" infuriate me. We have fighting men and women dying for countries they know nothing about to instill democracy, and you come off with a line like "why wont we allow it for anyone else". Shame on you as the others, you are just late for the party.

            Afghanistan has held elections over the past few years(albeit not perfect,but no new Democray's are), with millions turning out even though they or their family could be killed or tortured for it by the Taliban. These elections, in Afghanistan are possible due to the due dilligence of our armed forces. Also in Iraq, whereas people in both countries walk miles to dip their finger in ink, so they men and women alike can finally have a voice, and feel that their voice counts.

            You as others cheapen these accomplishments by griping about politics, how much these wars cost, saying how stupid, and unneccassary these wars are, all the time saying how you support the troops and your country.

            We are still the number one manufacturer in the world, we still have millions on waiting list to get in. We still have people risking there lives to get here. We are the best even at our worst, so do not say my country is going to sh...maybe your life is but do not blame others look at yourself.

            Love it or leave it!!!

            Oh and I will tell, We have been in North Africa for quite sometime. We are not going to war in North Africa.

              #1.19 - Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:20 PM EST Advertise | AdChoices mary52

              get ready....our gov't is going to start another war we can't his homeland....

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              #2 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:24 AM EST Coral Taxi

              Mary, mary, why ya buggin? lol

                #2.1 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:20 AM EST Coral Taxi

                @ mary; No offense Mary, it is just a line from an old run dmc,song. Well I thought it was

                  #2.2 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:24 AM EST jerri-1

                  So we learned nothing from invading Iraq? A country that was nearly secular, where women were educated and held decent jobs, now a hotbed of terrorism and oppressive radical Islam due 100% to our actions, and we want to repeat?

                  Standing aside (to the extent possible), is it any wonder many of these people believe our real agenda is to destroy Islam and that we are the servant of Israel?

                  I'm beginning to believe it myself.

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                  #3 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:50 AM EST Paul-1991580

                  CMON you make it sound so rosy. Educated? You couldn't even read anything except Saddam books and specially selected propaganda!

                  100% USA's fault? What about all the terrorist who came in from other countries into Iraq and chopped heads and killed with IEDs and terrorized everyone? No % for them?

                  I CALL BS.

                  Same thing could be said about NAZI germany, that it was better before, but it had to go and removing tyrants costs blood so that people like you can enjoy their freedoms to say whatever crap they claim to believe.

                    #3.1 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:47 AM EST fb-1473462

                    No authorization of war from the US congress, no authorization for the use of force from the United Nations and in violation of International Law......over 1 million innocent Iraqi deaths, millions more displaced, country left in shambles........The rationalization for the war was never about removing a tyrant is was about the threat of WMDS which turned about to be false,,,,,,,,This was naked aggression on a soveriegn nation that had neither threatend us or attacked us nor did it even have the capabiltiy to attack us........Bullcrap we went to war to protect my freedoms......we went to was to protect the interests of Big Oil and the corporate interests that made humndreds of millions from this war...

                    Jerri 1 is correct .....Iraq was secular nation before the war......insurgents used IEDs to combat our imperialist aggression.......just as we would use any means at our disposal if another country attacked and invaded us....

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                    #3.2 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:15 AM EST brendan-4


                    What you fail to see is that our threat of terrorism is only from our presence in the region and our meddling in other countries affairs.

                    They do not attack us because we are rich and free. The idea or thought that we need to fight perpetual wars against an idea to maintain our freedom is insane. how about you send your children to protect our "freedom" from "terrorists" and not mine.

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                    #3.3 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:44 AM EST reality-1087596


                    Some of your statements are true, while others are completely false. Do a little research before posting.

                    Congress approves Iraq War

                    U.N did not approve Iraq war.

                    1 million Iraqi deaths exaggerated


                    Oil and Total Petroleum Imports Top 15 Countries, we do not get much from Iraq.

                    "The rationalization for the war was never about removing a tyrant is was about the threat of WMDS which turned about to be false."
                    Read the Clinton Tapes. Monique Lewinsky Chapter. Bill Clinton from the intel he was receiving believed the whole time with his own words that the information he was getting showed Saddam had WMD's as well as there was suspicion that they were restarting their Nuclear Program. The U.N. believed this as well. Congress approved the invasion into Iraq for they were getting the same information given to them that the Administration was receiving from the CIA, which later indeed proved to be inaccurate information. I have listened to a lot of congress state they were against the invasion of the Iraq war in 2003. Go back and look at their statements, many are full of B.S. Their were a few of congress who were against the war and stated so in 2003.
                    Hillary Clinton was fr the invasion as well as Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, who later claim they were not for it.
                    Hillary sold the Iraq invasion big time, for she had been in the white house for 8 years and heard of the WMD's Saddam supposedly still had. This info was passed on to the next Administration.

                    I noticed when Obama took office, he slowed down on fulfilling his campaign promises, so he must have been given additional top secret info as well.
                    We are now out of Iraq which is a good thing.

                      #3.4 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:48 AM EST fb-1473462

                      The last time our congress made a declaration of war was in 1941.....there was no formal declartion of war on Iraq.

                      Again... the United Nations deemed the invasion as ilegal and never authorized the use of force.

                      This invasion was in violation of international law.

                      This was naked imperialist aggression against a sovereign nation that had neither attacked us or threatened us nor did they have the capability to do so....

                      Do you understand there is a difference between us buying oil from Iraq and our Oil companies Controlling the Iraqi Oil...this was about western oil companies CONTROLLING the second largest oil reserves on the planet....

                      Follow that link to the estimate of innocent Iraqi deaths.......but whether is was 150k or over a million this was a sad, sick tragedy that didnt have to happen..... not to mention the atrocities comitted in Fallujah, Ramadi, Abu Garaib....

                      Ever wonder why the rationale for the invasion kept changing from WMDs, to regime Change , to supporting democracy, to killing terrorists etc etc...?????

                      Your the one that needs to do the research.......

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                      #3.5 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:43 AM EST Advertise | AdChoices HereIsTruth4uDeleted Staff Iran-Conoco

                      Thank you for visiting, but the the one thing Libya does not need now is any advise of the US military-industrial-complex. Taking advise from Panetta will eventually lead to the placement of yet another US base in Libya to "protect American [oil company] interests" in Libyan oil (), not the welfare of the Libyan people. Just ask the families of the protesters murdered by US-backed oppression in Bahrain under the supervision of US military commanders in neighboring Qatar.

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                      #5 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:24 AM EST Paul-1991580

                      You mean the Iranian backed Shiite protestors who were killed by the Royal military, not the US military?

                      I don't think the US backed anything, they were tucked away in their bases and not allowed to roam the country.

                      Get the facts right.

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                      #5.1 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:49 AM EST RJB3

                      history is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace, and revolution continue on forever

                      ....and we seem very keen on keeping it that way

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                      #6 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:48 AM EST Paul-1991580

                      We, as in humans, not just the US, I hope you mean. American isn't the only source of ambition or subterfuge.

                        #7 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:50 AM EST RAPTOR555

                        What the new US policy on terrorists should be:

                        1. Stay the hell out of other countrys business and no aid.

                        2. If they attack us, carpet bomb that countrys capital city.

                        3. If they attack again, nuke the bass turds.

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                        #8 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:55 AM EST Coral Taxi

                        @ Raptor; What about the people who get killed that have no idea of what is even going on? You do understand we are fighting entities not countries, do you not? Where is the capitol of Al queada? For I am sure we will bomb it if you can find it. lol

                        We tried"isolationism" in the past, does not work, and keeps us out of touch with what our enemies are up to.

                          #8.1 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:05 AM EST fb-1473462

                          Isolationism didnt work in the past??? Lets see now we have invaded or attacked the following countries in the last 10 years...Sudan, Iraq, Afganistan, Syria, Pakistan, Libya, Somalia, are about to attack Iran...and this is just a short list.......trillions have been spent , we have bankrupted our country and norw have a uninsurmountable have all those invasions worked our for us????

                          How do you know when you have killed all the bad guys??? Why do other prosperous nations around the globe not worry and fear terrorist attacks as we do in this country when they have the same if not more freedom than us???

                          Why ... as this war on terror continues do we continue to lose freedom at home??

                          Why do all the terrorists just happen to be in oil rich nations???? For every " terrorist " that is killed 4 more are created when there families vow to avenge their deaths.........its a neverending war just as it was designed to continue to justify obscene military spending.

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                          #8.2 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:37 AM EST Coral Taxi

                          @ fb; Wow so many questions, o.k. Well I gave you short example of what would happen if we "minded our own business" in my post but I will give you better answer at the end of post.

                          First off as far as killing all the bad guys, well sorry but this will never happen, evil was here before us and will be here after us, so containment ,and a tampering down so to speak is what is necessary(hence why we are in North Africa).

                          Second other prosperous nations around the globe do fear and suffer from terrorism to a much larger degree than us. eg the U.K, Phillipines, India, Israel, Russia,, all have had countless attempts, and some succesful attacks in recent(3-5) years, compared to our ummm ZERO.

                          The reason we are more of a target, which is a better way to phrase your question, is simple, because we are the best.

                          What freedoms have you lost? I do not understand. More screening at the airport doesnt

                          Most terrorist come from poorer nations, or poorer parts of oil rich nations,and are usually not even citizens of where they train, not just oil rich nations, where you get your information I do not know.

                          As far as spending, I am tired of people griping about our military and the cost of wars, and at the same time enjoy the fruits that it brings. If noone would have died in previous wars we would be talking German or Japaneses right now. Should we have saved that money back then, and hoped for the best?lol I think not.

                          Here are some examples of why Isolationism does not work since you did not read my short version. WOW, Ive had too much cofffee today,sorry for the

                          First, it threatens this nation’s security. Many isolationist non-interventionists appear to believe that combating America’s enemies abroad makes America less safe at home. They believe that Osama bin Laden told the truth about “why they hate us” and that we should expect terrorist attacks. This inaccurate belief inspires a foreign-policy approach that puts American interests and security at risk. Pres. John Adams understood this, as did his navy secretary, Benjamin Stoddert, who said in 1798 that “by keeping up incessant attacks upon the [enemy] on their own ground, they will in a degree at least be prevented from coming on ours.” Such actions actually prevented a full war with France and continued George Washington’s clearly stated preference for peace through strength.

                          Second, on the question of America’s role in the world, the doctrinal non-interventionists declare simply that America should “mind its own business.” This sentiment contradicts the very character of America, which, unlike other nations, is dedicated to a set of universal principles that it must uphold in the international realm (though not necessarily through military incursions). So it is a mistake to proclaim isolationism a “pro-American foreign policy.”

                          You see, the forget them, and worry about ourselves thing is selfish and dangerous, and I like the part about how it does not fit the character of our country, that sums it up there, well maybe not yours or peacelovers character anyway.

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                          #8.3 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:30 AM EST fb-1473462

                          Wow....amazing you consider the Philiipines and Russia as prosperous countries around the globe.....How about our Neighbor Canada that has a standard of living equal to if not higher than the US, or South Africa, Australia, Luxemborg, or the many other countries that enjoy equal freedom and have an equal standard of living..... ever wonder why these countries have not attacked or invaded so many countries around the globe looking for terrorists...???What could explain the lack of terrorists attacks on those countries??? In Fact......what could explain the lack of attacks on the United Sates in the last 10 years??? More people die from disease, lightning strikes, probably slipping on banana peels than in terrorists attacks.......a

                          As for losing our freedoms at home...have you ever heard of a document called the patriot act???

                          Our military interventions and invasions around the world are not protecting us, they are making us more my post stated...for every life we take we create more terrosrists that vow to avenge the death of their loved one or family member....

                          The dont hate us because we are the best...that hate us because we have invaded, attacked or occupied their country......Just as you CORAL TAXI would fight against anyone that invaded or attacked your country!!!!!!!!!!!Our own CIA has stated this fact time and time again.....look up the term BLOWBACK

                          The United States has the most powerful military the world has ever surprise me that you fear every tinpot, third world nation around the world......

                          And yes......all the bad guys just happen to be in resource rich nations....

                          Your Govt could tell you the " terrorists are in Alabama and I bet you would be clamoring for us to bomb there.....

                          And no......I am not willing to bankrupt my country for neverending war as you are.......

                            #8.4 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:07 PM EST Coral Taxi

                            @ fb; Umm hello Mcfly!

                            ever wonder why these countries have not attacked or invaded so many countries around the globe looking for terrorists...???What could explain the lack of terrorists attacks on those countries???

                            No I do not, because both countries, Canada, and Australia, have troops fighting side by side with ours, they have now mostly withdrawn ,only because we are. They are attacking terrorist side by side with us. this shows your true ignorance.

                            As for losing our freedoms at home...have you ever heard of a document called the patriot act???

                            Your joking right? I hear noone complaining about, "man that patriot act really invaded my privacy"lol

                            Give me one example of how the patriot act has taken away or affected your personal freedom(you personally). You will not because it has not affected you directly, so fail.

                            Our military interventions and invasions around the world are not protecting us, they are making us more my post stated...for every life we take we create more terrosrists that vow to avenge the death of their loved one or family member....

                            WOW, what a slap in the face to those whom have perished selflessly for you in the war on terror, shame on you. The Taliban are weaker today as are Al queada, which makes us safer. This is due to the due dilligence of our fighting men and women, how dare you take that from them. Newsflash they(terrorist)vow death to America everyday, regardless.

                            The dont hate us because we are the best...that hate us because we have invaded, attacked or occupied their country......

                            They drew first blood not us on 9/11, we were not invading or attacking anyone.Your ignorance is amazing, and does not match your fervor, you are writing with emotions and not facts.

                            The United States has the most powerful military the world has ever surprise me that you fear every tinpot, third world nation around the world......

                            Where do you get the idea I am scared of third world countries, or tinpots?lol

                            And no......I am not willing to bankrupt my country for neverending war as you are.......

                            Maybe your freedom and security has a price tag on it, but to me it is priceless.

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                            #8.5 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:39 PM EST Coral Taxi

                            @ fb; Thats what I thought you can not back up anything you say as most others who rant.One example is all I asked for, of you personally having your freedoms taken away.

                              #8.6 - Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:45 AM EST Advertise | AdChoices Coral Taxi

                              Viners chill, we are not starting another war in North Africa. We have had so much covert action going on there already for years. This means we can attack from the inside out, without putting many boots on the ground. Quit crying over tactics that are keeping your country safe. Even Army generals are anti war, but know the importance of national security, so should all of you.

                              Our actions in Iraq, and Afghanistan, Pakistan, have surely cut the heads off the evil that is the Taliban . Al qeada, and Saddams regime. Now we must stop them from growing back, which is why we are in North Africa, not because we are hungry for more war, believe me the country has had enough war for one decade.

                              So support this action, do not rail against it, for that only makes our enemy stronger.

                                #9 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:57 AM EST ELH-602027

                                Unbelievable!!!! I guess Obama has to find something else besides Iraq to keep all of those military troops in tip top shape and busy. And don't talk to me about Africa on the premiss of national security. B.S.!! We can put the military to better use right here at home on our own borders. We know and the terroist know that our southern border can be penetrated anytime they want to. Why aren't we protecting that border? BECAUSE MEXICO DOESN'T HAVE OIL!! America needs to get their people back home.

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                                #10 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:20 AM EST Coral Taxi

                                @ elh; You do not think keeping Al queada tampered down, and on the run is not a part of national security? The border is more secure than ever, and becoming more secure by the day. Educate yourself.

                                Yes there could be an act of terrorism at any moment, we are not impenetrable. Live with it. We are getting most of our oil, and gas from Canada now I believe, we are not in North Africa for oil, use your head. Diamonds maybe but not oil. lol Once again educate yourself.

                                Our people are coming back home, have you not been keeping up?

                                  #10.1 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:33 AM EST Tim-4392532

                                  Some of those troops are on the border of Syria, right now, with NATO. Check out If we do go full scale in Syria... well, you know the drill.

                                    #10.2 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:56 PM EST Johnny Punish

                                    Searching for TERRORISTS? Has PANETTA tried looking in the mirror or across the street? Or better yet, somebody give him a bus ticket and take his sorry arce to Wall Street, the Federal Reserve, and last but not least, a $ 50,000 ticket to enter the offices of AIPAC so he can arrest those terrorists for occupying our country. And so it goes and goes.........the beast moves on to the next victim. Run, Hide, Duck!

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                                    #11 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:33 AM EST Soobun

                                    How do we look to these nation's citizens? I can't help but think that often we are considered terrorists...

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                                    #12 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:45 AM EST screminmimi

                                    And how many of the uneducated, non-English speaking "refugees" will be allowing into our already over crowded country when we get there, and on to our our already over burdened social service networks..... and how many of our own citizens will be cut from the services to accomodae them?

                                    Who didn't see THIS coming?

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                                    #13 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:44 AM EST CallSign:PeaceMakerUSMC

                                    Obama, i respect you as president but if i get deployed to North Africa You will lose any respect you have left, let America have a break for awhile and let these countires fight their won damn wars.

                                      #14 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:52 AM EST Coral Taxi

                                      @ callsign; You might as well say give the enemy a break for a while. Unless you are RECON, I would not worry about getting deployed there. They drew first blood on us we shall draw the last I gaurantee it!

                                      No breaks for the enemy, this is the time to decimate them, and our SOD, knows it.

                                        #14.1 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:32 AM EST dmc-1360002


                                          #15 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:22 PM EST dmc-1360002

                                          Coral T axi, I agree with your posts 100 % and your replys to others. Our military must be the biggest to enjoy the freedoms we have now. The way our courrent president is acting though I think he will shrink the military budget along with our military, big mistake for us.

                                            #16 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:24 PM EST Coral Taxi

                                            @ dmc; Thank you. Yes it irks me people put a price tag on their security. National Security trumps all. One analogy I use is the SWAT team compared to our Army. When SWAT must be called they go in with far more force than is usually needed for one person, this ensures victory, at the lowest risk to their own.

                                            Same goes for us and the world. We must maintain our overwhelming, superior edge with our forces, and weapons, or risk another invasion if someone becomes stronger than us, we can not allow this to happen.

                                            People are upset over the trillions spent, 3.7 roughly over the last decade on wars, but are happy to be free to pursue the right to happiness. They must remember....

                                            Man made the money,Money never made the man.

                                              #16.1 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:15 PM EST Tim-4392532

                                              You are absolutely correct Coral Taxi. The U.S. government has broken more international laws than any dictatorship since the Ming Dynasty and the rest of the world demands retribution for its actions. In order to maintain a Neocon stability and insure the laws continue to be an inconvenience a strong military is required. As long as the U.S. maintains its military prowess, U.S. representatives can break any laws they want and destroy as many nations as they see fit.

                                                #16.2 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:42 PM EST Coral Taxi

                                                @ Tim; Look at Germany,and Japan, both wished our destruction,now they arenow both economic powerhouses, why, because we built them back up after they had to be knocked down. That is how we roll. We are feeding our enemies in NK. Our nation rocks, and is the most giving on earth, name one nation that gives more than we do, you will not.

                                                So stick that in your pipe and smoke it. See how I back my talk up with facts, maybe you should try it.

                                                What international laws have we broken? Which U.S representatives are breaking laws? What nations have we destroyed?

                                                "In order to maintain a Neocon stability and insure the laws continue to be an inconvenience"

                                                What the hell does that mean?lol You talk alot but say nothing.

                                                  #16.3 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:48 PM EST Advertise | AdChoices Roberta K. Starkey

                                                  As long as there is DAngerous AL QUIDA to find, and we ALL KNow they are in Every single Country that the USSA wants control over and to Dominate. USSA The NEW World Leaders on What is Right and GOOOD for everyone on the Planet, not just those that reside on the North American Continent, is ALIVE and WELL and is the SOVEREIGN DICTATOR over the WORLD! No ONE else is up to it, But the Great Chosen of his People, the Great Chosen One - Obama the Man! going to finish what the war monger predecessor before him, and his dad before him put in to place...only the weak/mindless follow evil. It takes a STRONG person to STAND up against Killing, WAR, Murder, Thievery and Supermacy....that is NOT Obama HUSSEIN!

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                                                  #17 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:05 PM EST Algerien et fier d'etre

                                                  Bad idea to mess with North Africa. The Algerian Civil War is an example of the misery we experience when meddling in a tribal area, where Berbers, Arabs, Kabyles, Bani Mzabs, Chawiya all coexist.

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                                                  #18 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:22 PM EST dwighthuth

                                                  Anytype of warfare is dangerous otherwise it wouldn't be called warfare. The terrorists in North Africa need rooted out otherwise they will rebuild their forces and invade the Middle East like a billion scarabs pouring from the walls of a long forgotten tomb.

                                                  The war in North Africa will not be like the war in the desert where the fighting was done in the open. The landscape will be hard fought but I believe that our military has the experience that it has learned in the War on Terrorism in the Middle East to effectively shift direction to North Africa.

                                                  All of the peace niks here need to realize that you are not in any danger of being killed but millions of innocent Africans are on a daily basis. Peace does not solve the worlds problems of dealing with killings and rape that occurs in Africa. The only problem solver involves sending in the Grunts to flush the terrorist out and kill them.

                                                  Otherwise the terrorists will kill off the population of innocents in Africa thus claiming Africa as their own. Africa has a large amount of resources that the terrorists would then use to attack America and other countries around the world.

                                                  Don't believe it will happen in your lifetime? Then keep on posting how against fighting terrorism you are and one day you will wake up to the sound of an RPG swooshing by window while a foreign sounding voice directs rifle towards your house.

                                                    #19 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:51 PM EST Tim-4392532

                                                    Coral Taxi should be pleased knowing that NATO is in Syria. Anyone that has any sanity however probably should have expected it with distaste and ambivalence.

                                                      #20 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:28 PM EST Coral Taxi

                                                      @ Tim; I can respect your difference of opinion on Americas actions in war, but at least be right in what you say.

                                                      "Where is NATO?" some messages ask amid crackdowns that have claimed nearly 3,000 lives.

                                                      The answer: Waiting on the sidelines with other world powers and showing no willingness to open a Libyan-style military offensive against the regime of Bashar Assad.

                                                      "No intention whatsoever," emphasized NATO's secretary-general, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, earlier this week in Brussels.

                                                      "No intention whatsoever", I do not think you could misquote that, unless something has changed in the past few weeks that I do not know about ,I would say you are dead wrong.

                                                        #20.1 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:07 PM EST Figh

                                                        After eight months bombing. Libya is still ongoing war. Great job. Another Somali is in making. Obama, Sarcozy annd Cameron created it. It wastes taxes paid by hard-working ordinary people. Suck you, the imbecile politicians.

                                                          #21 - Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:04 PM EST Dr. M

                                                          Hope and Change is getting real expensive. Obama just go back, apologize one last time and bring our kids home!

                                                            #22 - Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:49 AM EST NWOwatchdogDeleted Leap-Frog

                                                            Total NWO rubbish!! Nonsensical garbage promoting FEAR, as a means of control,and FEAR, of the tan-people with beards and turbins, are gonna get YOU!! The AL-CIA-AIDA works for the CIA and the NWO Shadow Bankster Govt. that have highjacked our Country, and our Govt. The Military Industrial Complex is in high-gear!! KBR a division of Haliburton is currently hiring 100,000 interment specialists, to man the FEMA CAMPS!! Whom do you think the FEMA CAMPS will house?? With the passage of BILL 1876- NDAA Bill, rolls out Martial-Law in the US, and declares WAR aganist AMERICAN CITIZENS Please wake-up people this is very serious!!! Fellow OATHKEEPER...Ciao

                                                              #24 - Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:36 AM EST Advertise | AdChoices Leap-Frog

                                                              Please do not listen to the "Whore" manistream media, all smoke an mirrors total psy-op!!! This is real folks! WAKE UP!!! WAKE UP!!! Before it is too late for you and your families!! Ciao

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