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Enabling events calendar gadget for all[edit]

On the page Events calendar there is an embryo for a Wikimedia wide events calendar, which could be really useful. However, in order to get full functionality, one has to enable two user scripts (see How to use it). I suggest that we add those as a gadget, enabled for all by default. That way everyone can easily interact with no hassle, and those who have no interest have a way to turn it off. Besides getting consensus around this, we'll need an interface administrator to turn it on. Ainali (talk) 07:35, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Gadgets should only be added as default ON for compelling reasons. I don't see a compelling reason.  — billinghurst sDrewth 09:13, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
The compelling reason is that anyone would be able to both edit and navigate the events calendar which brings this tool up to the usability level of the rest of the wiki. Ainali (talk) 10:56, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
That is not a compelling reason to have a gadget, let alone one turned on by default. How many people do you suspect will use it? I see 82 people have installed it and 2 people have used it in three years. How many IP editors will be among that group of people who will be editing it. I suspect that the group of users will be relatively small for the population of users of metawiki, so a default gadget simply doesn't make sense. I suggest that maybe start the discussion about the addition of the gadget at MediaWiki talk:Gadgets-definition  — billinghurst sDrewth 23:03, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Well, this is of course a chicken and the egg problem. If people are not aware of it, no one will enable it. Now, the calendar has also suffered from the deviation of the calendar that was set up at Space. But the proper place for an all movement calendar is here at meta. Let's get that one working. It has potential to be used by all affiliates, which probably make up quite a fair amount of those active on meta. Ainali (talk) 20:05, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
That makes sense. I support it. --MF-W 00:46, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
@Ainali: instead of making this a default gadget - can't it just be an opt-in gadget? That makes maintaining and the instructions easier. — xaosflux Talk 01:39, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Time for guidance about meta (global) user pages[edit]

It seems that we are needing to give guidance to the broad community about what a global user page (the root page only) should reflect and could utilise to be a good page. It seems that we also need to state that it should not be hosting provocative/hostile/denigatory statements about people or projects (internal or external), though I would not be wishing to inhibit users to be able to have subpages that align with our scope and can explain civilly their experiences at other places and their learning for dealing with other people through the projects.

There have been numbers of discussions about pages for deletion, on user talk pages, and the like in a number of places, and it seems to me that it is time to codify some guidance. I am uncertain whether it exactly belongs, it could be Help:User page or Global user pages at first guess, or maybe if it is coming something closer to policy, then we need it at Meta:User pages. I am tending to think that we are needing to move to stricter instruction, rather than the general information.  — billinghurst sDrewth 23:16, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Indeed. Support the codified rules. — regards, Revi 03:10, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Editing news 2020 #2[edit]

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The new features include a toolbar. What do you think should be in the toolbar?

This issue of the Editing newsletter includes information the Talk pages project, an effort to help contributors communicate on wiki more easily.

  • Reply tool: This is available as a Beta Feature at the four partner wikis (Arabic, Dutch, French, and Hungarian Wikipedias). The Beta Feature is called "Discussion tools". The Beta Feature will get new features soon. The new features include writing comments in a new visual editing mode and pinging other users by typing @. You can test the new features on the Beta Cluster now. Some other wikis will have a chance to try the Beta Feature in the coming months.
  • New requirements for user signatures: Soon, users will not be able to save invalid custom signatures in Special:Preferences. This will reduce signature spoofing, prevent page corruption, and make new talk page tools more reliable. Most editors will not be affected.
  • New discussion tool: The Editing team is beginning work on a simpler process for starting new discussions. You can see the initial design on the project page.
  • Research on the use of talk pages: The Editing team worked with the Wikimedia research team to study how talk pages help editors improve articles. We learned that new editors who use talk pages make more edits to the main namespace than new editors who don't use talk pages.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)

20:33, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Hey Whatamidoing (WMF). Do you or the team managing the "reply tool" feature be willing to enable it on Meta at least as a Beta Feature at some point in the future? Best regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 20:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
MarcoAurelio: I'll put it on the list. I need to talk to the team about getting it enabled in more wikis. In the meantime, if you stalk my global.js file, you may find a line at the top that would make you as happy as it's making me. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 02:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
@Whatamidoing (WMF) It works! Thanks so much. Best regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 10:50, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
MarcoAurelio, please remember that you will (I hope!) want to take that back out someday. Eventually, I hope that everyone will be able to use this, and you wouldn't want it loading twice on every page. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:28, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
@Whatamidoing (WMF): Sure. Once DiscussionTools get enabled here (I guess we need community consensus and the OK from the Editting Team) I'll make sure to deactivate the script. For what is worth, I only enabled it for Meta using my monobook.js user subpage, so there's no risk that it gets loaded twice in, say, mediawiki.org where I have the Beta Feature enabled. Best regards, ~~~~ —MarcoAurelio (talk) 09:55, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Amending our bot inactivity policy to define when the "periodic reviews" should happen[edit]

Hello. Last year we agreed to approve Meta:Bot inactivity policy. However I feel it'd benefit from improvements. The text mentions that "[r]emovals will be periodically reviewed" but we never defined when those periodic reviews should take place. In order to simplify, can we perhaps use one of either the April or the October Meta:Administrators/Removal windows to do this?

Also, it'd make sense to exempt bots flagged less than 14 months ago before the inactivity check. Policy currently remains silent on that.

Thoughts? —MarcoAurelio (talk) 09:46, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes I agree, it need improvement, we can review in april or october such as admin removal policy. Its be fine if now to finish the silent policy. Syman51 19:12, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Software change[edit]

The mw:New requirements for user signatures will begin on Monday, 6 July 2020. This is a change to MediaWiki software that will prevent editors from accidentally setting certain types of custom signatures, such as a custom signature that creates Special:LintErrors (such as <span>...<span> instead of <span>...</span>) or a signature that does not link to the local account.

Few editors will be affected (only about 40 here at Meta-Wiki). If you want to know whether your signature (or any individual editor) is okay, you can check your signature at [signatures.toolforge.org] You are not required to fix an invalid custom signature immediately. Starting Monday, editors will not be able to create new invalid signatures to Special:Preferences. Later, we will contact affected editors. Eventually, invalid custom signatures will stop working. There will be an announcement in m:Tech/News then. You can subscribe to m:Tech/News. You can also put mw:New requirements for user signatures on your watchlist.

If you have questions, then please ping me or ask questions at mw:Talk:New requirements for user signatures. Please also share this information with your communities. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 03:43, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

There's a specific report for Meta-Wiki at [signatures.toolforge.org] Let's see: Aron Manning and Tony1, it looks like you both have missing HTML end tags in your sigs, but I can't figure out what the alleged problems are. @AntiCompositeNumber, can you help? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:32, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
@Whatamidoing (WMF): In case of Tony, will replacing font tags work? I have seen the error mentioned as unclosed one, but still.. Adithyak1997 (talk) 17:37, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
For Tony I believe removing spaces from </font > should fix it. Majavah talk/contribs/sul 17:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
@Whatamidoing (WMF): Thank you for the notification! All good now.Aron Man.🍂 edits🌾 18:05, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
  • This is the syntax for my signature: [[User:Tony1|<b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<span style="color:darkgreen">(talk)</span>]] I see no use of "font", with or without spacing. Tony (talk) 08:10, 4 July 2020 (UTC) PS I'd love the system not to log me out days after I've logged in and clicked on keep logged in. Tony (talk) 08:10, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
  • All users were logged out due to a security bug earlier in the week. RhinosF1 (talk) 08:57, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Feedback on movement names[edit]

Hello. Apologies if you are not reading this message in your native language. Please help translate to your language if necessary. Thank you!

There are a lot of conversations happening about the future of our movement names. We hope that you are part of these discussions and that your community is represented.

Since 16 June, the Foundation Brand Team has been running a survey in 7 languages about 3 naming options. There are also community members sharing concerns about renaming in a Community Open Letter.

Our goal in this call for feedback is to hear from across the community, so we encourage you to participate in the survey, the open letter, or both. The survey will go through 7 July in all timezones. Input from the survey and discussions will be analyzed and published on Meta-Wiki.

Thanks for thinking about the future of the movement, --The Brand Project team, 20:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Note: The survey is conducted via a third-party service, which may subject it to additional terms. For more information on privacy and data-handling, see the survey privacy statement.

{{REVISIONID}} on Spam blacklist[edit]

Should be Snippet for logging: {{sbl-diff|20280819}} instead of Snippet for logging: {{sbl-diff|-}} (copy from edit mode) 176.122.109.86 16:18, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

176... I'm not sure what you are asking here - are you trying to make an edit request for that page? — xaosflux Talk 16:21, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Not done Think that they are saying that REVISIONID is not working on that page, and similarly Title blacklist, and they are trying to give us a solution, though is not a solution. REVISIONID was turned off on some WMF wikis due to its expense, Tech/News/2019/15. Not sure why they are fussing about it, as they are not the user of that functionality, and admins have been managing perfectly fine.  — billinghurst sDrewth 21:29, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Though I do note that it REVID is still retrievable through js and api, it is just the magic word that has been neutered in main ns.  — billinghurst sDrewth 21:41, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Second note, it is the use of the magic word IN that namespace, not the use of the magic word for pages FROM that namespace. Hence why it works when displayed above, though fails on the page itself.  — billinghurst sDrewth 21:48, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Editing news 2020 #3[edit]

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More than 50 million edits have been made using the visual editor on desktop.

Seven years ago this month, the Editing team offered the visual editor to most Wikipedia editors. Since then, editors have achieved many milestones:

  • More than 50 million edits have been made using the visual editor on desktop.
  • More than 2 million new articles have been created in the visual editor. More than 600,000 of these new articles were created during 2019.
  • The visual editor is increasingly popular. The proportion of all edits made using the visual editor has increased every year since its introduction.
  • In 2019, 35% of the edits by newcomers (logged-in editors with ≤99 edits) used the visual editor. This percentage has increased every year.
  • Almost 5 million edits on the mobile site have been made with the visual editor. Most of these edits have been made since the Editing team started improving the mobile visual editor in 2018.
  • On 17 November 2019, the first edit from outer space was made in the mobile visual editor. 🚀 👩‍🚀
  • Editors have made more than 7 million edits in the 2017 wikitext editor, including starting 600,000 new articles in it. The 2017 wikitext editor is VisualEditor's built-in wikitext mode. You can enable it in your preferences.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)

12:55, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Announcing a new wiki project! Welcome, Abstract Wikipedia[edit]

Hi all,

It is my honor to introduce Abstract Wikipedia, a new project that has been unanimously approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees. Abstract Wikipedia proposes a new way to generate baseline encyclopedic content in a multilingual fashion, allowing more contributors and more readers to share more knowledge in more languages. It is an approach that aims to make cross-lingual cooperation easier on our projects, increase the sustainability of our movement through expanding access to participation, improve the user experience for readers of all languages, and innovate in free knowledge by connecting some of the strengths of our movement to create something new.

This is our first new project in over seven years. Abstract Wikipedia was submitted as a project proposal by Denny Vrandečić in May 2020 [1] after years of preparation and research, leading to a detailed plan and lively discussions in the Wikimedia communities. We know that the energy and the creativity of the community often runs up against language barriers, and information that is available in one language may not make it to other language Wikipedias. Abstract Wikipedia intends to look and feel like a Wikipedia, but build on the powerful, language-independent conceptual models of Wikidata, with the goal of letting volunteers create and maintain Wikipedia articles across our polyglot Wikimedia world.

The project will allow volunteers to assemble the fundamentals of an article using words and entities from Wikidata. Because Wikidata uses conceptual models that are meant to be universal across languages, it should be possible to use and extend these building blocks of knowledge to create models for articles that also have universal value. Using code, volunteers will be able to translate these abstract “articles” into their own languages. If successful, this could eventually allow everyone to read about any topic in Wikidata in their own language.

As you can imagine, this work will require a lot of software development, and a lot of cooperation among Wikimedians. In order to make this effort possible, Denny will join the Foundation as a staff member in July and lead this initiative. You may know Denny as the creator of Wikidata, a long-time community member, a former staff member at Wikimedia Deutschland, and a former Trustee at the Wikimedia Foundation [2]. We are very excited that Denny will bring his skills and expertise to work on this project alongside the Foundation’s product, technology, and community liaison teams.

It is important to acknowledge that this is an experimental project, and that every Wikipedia community has different needs. This project may offer some communities great advantages. Other communities may engage less. Every language Wikipedia community will be free to choose and moderate whether or how they would use content from this project.

We are excited that this new wiki-project has the possibility to advance knowledge equity through increased access to knowledge. It also invites us to consider and engage with critical questions about how and by whom knowledge is constructed. We look forward to working in cooperation with the communities to think through these important questions.

There is much to do as we begin designing a plan for Abstract Wikipedia in close collaboration with our communities. I encourage you to get involved by going to the project page and joining the new mailing list [3]. We recognize that Abstract Wikipedia is ambitious, but we also recognize its potential. We invite you all to join us on a new, unexplored path.

Yours,

Katherine Maher (Executive Director, Wikimedia Foundation)

  1. Abstract Wikipedia
  2. User:Denny
  3. Abstract Wikipedia mailing list

Sent by m:User:Elitre (WMF) 19:56, 9 July 2020 (UTC) - m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/July 2020 announcement

Updating Requests for new languages[edit]

It would be nice to have a bot to update that page - which is necessary every time the "status" in the {{new wiki request}} template used on the subpages is changed. Manually editing that page is quite tedious. Does someone have an idea or can recommend a better place to ask for help for this? --MF-W 14:10, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

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